Whistleblower Nurse Describes COVID Protocols as Medical Murder- Interview with Gail Macrae

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Get ready to hear the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth about the United States healthcare system with your host of the medical truth podcast, James Egidio.

James Egidio: 0:16

Hi, I’m James Egidio Welcome to the medical truth podcast. My guest worked as a nurse in the ICU. Med surge and labor and delivery for 10 years. During COVID she worked for Kaiser Permanente in the bay area of California and saw firsthand that the media was deceiving the public about COVID related things. She turned whistleblower and was fired for refusing to take the COVID vaccine. It is an honor and a pleasure to have on the medical truth podcast. My guests. Gail McCrae. Hi, Gail. Welcome to the medical truth podcast. How are you doing?

Gail Macrae: 0:50

I’m doing great. Thanks for having me here today.

James Egidio: 0:53

Absolutely. Share with the listener and viewers of the medical truth podcast about who you are and what you do. All

Gail Macrae: 1:01

right. My name is Gail McCray. I was a nurse trained bachelor’s degree RN in California in the Bay Area. I went to school at Cal State East Bay, graduated in. 2011 and I immediately entered the acute care setting as a practitioner. I was hired by Sutter Health. I worked for them in ICU telemetry and med surg for a few years. And then at that point I decided that I wanted to follow my dreams to become a nurse midwife. And on that adventure I ended up in rural Africa. I spent a year working in a district hospital in the back roads in the sticks of Tanzania. And then I returned to the United States with the intention of trying to get hired into labor and delivery so that I could end up doing my specialty and my master’s to become a certified nurse midwife, but that didn’t happen. I was pregnant when I came home. And I had some complications with my pregnancy. I ended up really sick. It was very difficult to work at all and so I ended up back in telemetry where I stayed until I just went ahead and did med surg telemetry until I started my master’s program, which was right when COVID started. I was working for I was hired on by Kaiser Permanente at that time, it was 2015, and I worked for them until they fired me in 2021, and at that point in 2021 when they fired me, I was at the end of the degree to get my master’s and become a primary care provider. And then I ended up Getting fired and then being dropped from my master’s program at the beginning of my clinical hours rotation because I refused to take the COVID shot. Both of those were because I refused to take the shot, both being fired and being dropped from that program. So I did end up excuse me, I did end up Working in the COVID floors at Kaiser for the extent of the pandemic. And then also for the first six, eight months after they started injecting people with these COVID vaccines that they call them. I’ve learned that they were not what we were told and I. I’ve been very vocal from the very start even when I was in the hospital, when I was witnessing the COVID protocols, which were extraordinary from day one. But it was a journey. It was a real challenging experience to discover that things were really not what we were being told. And Accept the fact that, I was being lied to by my profession and by my government and then make the decision to stand up and take the scorn and criticism of the entire world for speaking about it, but ultimately that really came down to my own desire to, provide the best possible example that I could for my children, sure. Here I am today, continuing that path because I feel that it’s so profoundly important to set these examples for ourselves and for our kids. I love telling the world that, the truth will set them free and I feel for myself that my spirit has been freed through this process. And I don’t regret one second of the choices I’ve made, even though they’ve been very difficult and they’ve challenged me in ways that I never expected. Yeah.

James Egidio: 5:05

So what I want to do is step back a little bit to 2020 you’re working at Kaiser Permanente, as you’d mentioned. And, of course, the outbreak of COVID started around, I believe, February. Explain a little bit about how things at the hospital were that you were working at that time. And what, at what point did you notice something wasn’t right?

Gail Macrae: 5:33

Yeah, so it happened right away. we had a discussion. I was, my, the unit I worked for was it was like a step down unit from the ICU and we shared management with ICU. So I, all of my managers were also ICU managers. And so even though I didn’t work in ICU, I knew what was going on there more so than most. Any, like more so than say the ER, I was very far removed from the ER. But so in February and early March, when they first started talking about locking down the community, I had a specific conversation with one of my managers about how that, how we had actually. They suspected that we had been exposed to and treating COVID patients since November of 2019. We had, they had multiple extremely inflammatory respiratory illnesses that, and in a few in young people. That didn’t respond in ways that we were familiar with seeing a respiratory diseases respond and so that was my first observation of how, we had probably been seeing patients before. They they called the COVID pandemic and Even at that through the winter months, our hospital, 2019 2020, it was a normal winter and and then when they locked down the hospital and they canceled all the elective surgeries and started making a big deal out of how COVID was potentially going to come in and wreak havoc on our communities there was never a time when that was the case. that conversation with my manager definitely prepared me to see that, we had seen cases of COVID we could figure out how to manage it, and The hospital was not overwhelmed at any point during those first, that first winter 2019 2020. And even the second winter in 2020 and 2021 we had increased admissions but, that’s what happens in the hospital every winter. And I would say it was probably comparable to the year of SARS. One in 2002, 2003, the hospitals were full, but it was never anything unmanageable. And as a matter of fact, during that time period when they canceled elective surgeries from March until November of 2020, I basically was, the hospital was so empty that I could have taken off every single shift I wanted to because there just wasn’t, there was no one there. Wow. Yeah. So it was very chilling, seeing how the media was talking about how the hospitals were all full and they just weren’t. That really bothered me. Sure. I didn’t have TV so I wasn’t really aware of what the media was saying. And then I’d go to work and I would see it on my patient’s televisions. That’s really how I got so exposed to it. And when it happened it was very just. So intrusive, the way that they, I could feel the fear mongering in the news reports that I wasn’t being exposed to at home, but then I saw them at work and it was, I remember just being so floored by how like perpetually fearful every single message was to a point of just I could feel that there was something really wrong with the way that they were talking about things on the news, not only that they didn’t line up, but also that it was just so intense.

James Egidio: 9:30

Wow. Yeah. Yeah. They have a death clock. I remember on a lot of the, on the news stations. So it sounds like from what you’re saying is that the lockdowns were not justified.

Gail Macrae: 9:43

They were definitely not justified in the Bay Area of California. I suspect throughout the state, I’ve talked to a few physicians around the country who have worked at a few hospitals that were overwhelmed at multiple points. I suspect that and not only do I suspect, but my experience is that those, that’s maybe one twentieth of the cities. The large cities across the country where I’ve met doctors and practitioners that have worked in those places. Not, 19 out of 20 of the hospital of the communities of the people that I’ve spoken to, which really is, I’m sure it’s less than 1 percent of the hospitals in the country were over capacity. There were a few but it was very few. Certainly nothing to to match what we saw happening, in the hospitals outside of those pockets. Yeah.

James Egidio: 10:44

So what about the emergency rooms? Were they, did they fill up at all or were there more overdose cases than there were of COVID cases and gunshots at that time? What was the,

Gail Macrae: 10:55

the emergency rooms were just as empty as the hospitals. Wow. Especially, at least in my county, I’m for sure of that. I had friends in all the hospitals in Sonoma County, and there was just, there was never really a point where our emergency rooms were over what we had expected. And I will say that the emergency room staff that I did speak to about this they in fact credited. A good bit of the hospital admissions to the emergency room being related to anxiety and stress over the, the fear surrounding COVID a lot, I would actually suspect there were more panic attacks and things like that in relation to other reasons for hospital admissions. Yeah.

James Egidio: 11:46

WHen someone did come in for COVID into the hospital, whether that would have been through, let’s say the emergency room where they were admitted to stay in the hospital what were some of the hospital protocols for treating COVID patients at that time in the hospital that you were working at?

Gail Macrae: 12:03

Oh, gosh, it was just terrible. The thing, every single one of the protocols seem to basically contradict modern medicine and common sense. tHe ones that really stuck out to me as being criminal were isolation of patients who were sick in the hospital, being isolated from their support system. We use isolation as a as a tool for torture. There is a substantial body of peer reviewed data that shows that isolation of patients when they are sick in the hospital increases their risk for death and dying, and also creates worse outcomes when they, with whatever the disease there’s no reason that I as a practitioner should have been treated any different than a patient’s system because we rely on families not only to help us communicate for patients to help to help us identify things that are outside of the normal for that patient. If I can wear PPE and take a test to come to work and provide care for my patients. There’s no reason why the family member who is just important for the well being of that patient as I am to be able to do the same thing. That was a major human rights violation that I will never be able to accept as a reasonable course of action. They said that it was to protect people. Like I said, patients families can also wear PPE and take PCR tests or whatever, whatever it is that, that the hospital wants the staff to do, the patient’s family members ought to have been offered that same choice. In addition to that, the other two major violations were withholding the respiratory treatments and and steroids, both. The hospitals the protocols, they they only allowed us to use a very low dose IV steroid for treatment of COVID. When that COVID coronavirus, the SARS coronavirus, I don’t think it was quite like this one in the way that COVID 19 produced the highest number, or the highest CRP values that I’d ever seen, that anyone had ever seen. That’s an inflammatory marker that we use to diagnose a lot of cellular damage in patients. So those numbers were multi, multitudes higher than patients with influenza and other infectious disease processes that I treated for my career. And the hospitals were bound by protocol saying we could not. administer steroids at the appropriate level to treat that. That was very very extraordinarily evil. I can’t imagine how any medical system could have justified withholding high dose steroids. And then the same thing with the nebulized breathing treatments. When you have a patient coming into the hospital in respiratory distress, our number one drug of choice for that, that the hospitals offer is, nebulized breathing treatments because it really helps dilate the lungs and increase people’s ability not only to get oxygen, but just to calm their nerves when they’re, feeling like they can’t breathe. And so that was a. How can you justify they said that they did that because they were trying to reduce the aerosol particles and reduce transmission, but they had us scammed up in N95s, it just, and in addition to that, me as a well practitioner, it’s my job to potentially have to manage exposure, it just, There’s no rationale for it when you think about, how much it increased their likelihood to go into respiratory failure and die. It’s oh me, a person who A, has natural immunity or B, has been vaccinated or whatever the circumstances. C our, I’m clearly well and able to manage an infection if I were to get it. These are just normal things that, practitioners like this is our job. This is part of our job description and to try and they did, they very successfully scared us into accepting these kinds of protocols, as practitioners even, my colleagues were just, they were so afraid to not do what the CDC and the AMA told them to do, so they just, went along. Yeah. The steroids, and then the last one that was also pretty extraordinary. It took me a minute to identify it, but the administration of Remdesivir. So that’s a, an antiviral. In nursing school, we were taught that antivirals were only to be administered to patients who were less than 48 to 72 hours past symptom onset because at that point, antivirals had a high risk benefit analysis ratio and, they were more likely to cause harm than good if they were administered after two to three days. And and we were giving remdesivir at 10 days plus post symptom onset. Not only at this point had the patient already recovered from the viral infection really, they had, and this was the case with most hospitalized patients, they would recover from COVID, and then they would come to the hospital because of the inflammation, the CRP values, the COVID, this spike protein, whatever this was that infected people, it hit our cells so hard, so much damage was done on a cellular level from this. This disease, this spike protein, whatever it was in COVID 19 that caused all the cellular damage, people would recover from the infection and then they would come to the hospital because of the cellular damage that had gone so bad that they couldn’t breathe from all the inflammation. So right off the bat, we were giving them not only an antiviral, which was way outside of, the time period when we should be administering it. But it was an experimental use product, it had no FDA approval, and the only clinical trials at that point that were available on it were atrocious. And I didn’t know that at the time, when I first started administering Remdesivir, which I didn’t do much of. I was normally, on the telemetry floors and other areas of the hospital, but when I did administer it, not only did I notice, or I would care for a patient who had received remdesivir after they had received it and I would have conversations with the nurses at the station and we would notice this, these patients have recovered from COVID, but now they’re going into multi organ failure. And so that, It took some time to really put those pieces together when I started taking care of people who were receiving remdesivir. But then I started after I noticed gosh, We’d have these conversations at the nurse’s station, all the nurses were like, why are we giving this medication? It makes no sense. It’s not helping. It’s potentially increasing harm. We’re seeing people go into multi organ failure. Why are we doing this? And then at that point, probably two or three months into when I first started caring for people with remdesivir, I started really looking into the clinical trials because I was in grad school. So I had access to the data. I was like, I’m going to pull this medication up. So I did. And I was just astounded by what I found. Yeah. The clinical trials data was atrocious and that was, it was huge. It was just mind boggling.

James Egidio: 20:31

Yeah. I want to back up a little bit cause you mentioned the withholding of the corticosteroids. I remember early on when COVID was pretty much announced and rolled out in 2020, there was a Dr. Richard Bartlett out of Texas who had what he called his silver bullet treatment for COVID patients that would come into his office because he had an office based practice. And I remember him saying that what he would use was nebulized steroids, bethamethasone, and then a Z Pak. And out of a hundred patients, 98 of them basically were, pretty much fine after a couple days. And in fact, when they did the nebulized steroid in his office, they got immediate results. And then he put them on the Z Pak to protect them from any kind of infection, pneumonia. But out of a hundred patients he had mentioned, 98 of them got through it and the other, the two out of the 100 had comorbidities. They were patients that were diagnosed and were being treated for cancers and whatnot. So I find that interesting that they hold back. The other thing I want to discuss with you was the protocol for ventilators in the hospital that you worked in. What, how did they qualify a patient for a ventilator in the hospital?

Gail Macrae: 22:00

Our hospital was much more conservative than most other hospitals in the country with ventilation. We didn’t really, we didn’t really go down the path of ventilation. I would, and that’s one thing that I also would add is that I really felt that out of all the hospitals in the country, Kaiser Permanente in the Bay area, we had some great facilities. They really. They really did try and apply logic, even to the COVID protocols. So what we often did is we would, and now in retrospect, I know this to be, wrong, but we would try and keep patients off of the ventilator. And they would use high flow O2. And they would use CPAP or, and BiPAP. And we didn’t end up, we didn’t end up ventilating people. And I’ll say that in addition to that we had some of the lower death rates in the country in our hospitals in Sonoma County. I believe in the first two or three months we only had three COVID deaths in Sonoma County. And then over the next year, two years, even then our death rates were lower than most other parts of the country. And I would credit that to the fact that I think that as a whole, we do have, relatively good quality practitioners, for Western medicine in Sonoma County who I think that Even though they weren’t looking outside of the box, they were still attempting to be as humane as possible in the circumstances that they were forced into. So the ICU ventilator settings, I don’t really know the details of those because I didn’t ever work in ICU beyond my early years as a nurse. And I’m not too familiar with the ventilator settings, but I definitely know that even in our ICUs, the nurses would say if a patient was put on a ventilator, they were not going to survive. And that was it was known that the ventilators even in our hospital were causing Causing significant harm to patients with COVID. Yeah.

James Egidio: 24:38

So we fast forward from, let’s say February of 2020, we get into close to December of 2020, I believe that’s when they rolled out operation warp speed. And they were rev up things with the, I call it the bioweapon, not a vaccine. And so they roll that out. What was the, or some of the things that you witnessed and explain a little bit about what is called Code Blue to the viewers and listeners of the Medical Truth Podcast?

Gail Macrae: 25:10

Yeah, that was a very extraordinary experience. That really, that’s really what broke me, I would say, as a practitioner. So I I got COVID in November of 2020 and I was sick for about a day and then I was tired for several weeks and and I recovered. And then before Project Warp Speed was started in our county, I went to the lab and had my antibodies drawn and I had robust natural immunity to COVID 19. And considering that I understood that these shots were experimental I decided and I’m a woman of childbearing age, so there was no data on, what that could have caused to my maternal, health and wellness had I decided to have more children. So I, I decided, my robust natural immunity, which is, this is what vaccines have been based on for 200 years was sufficient, if not better than an experimental shot, and I had made the decision not to get the COVID shot and then to watch and wait and to see, what I observed in the acute care setting with these shots. And it was extraordinary. Our practitioners got access to the shots at like the beginning of January of 2021, and we had a very compliant community. I would say over 90 percent of my community ran out to get these shots. Wow. Yeah, the Bay, it’s the Bay Area of California. Very liberal, very compliant with all of the COVID protocols. Everyone, hid in their homes. But so then the population, so the healthcare practitioners got access to the shots in January and February and they were released out to the public towards the end of February in 2021. And it was around that time when I was still in grad school, so I would do per diem, so I would work at the hospital for three weeks, and then I’d take eight weeks off and study real hard, and then I’d do this three week, eight weeks schedule to focus on school. So when I was in the hospital in March, during the first Within the first month of the roll out of these shots to the public it was extraordinary. So I was getting three phone calls a day. So like I told you in the first year of COVID, I’d been canceled virtually every shift because the hospital didn’t need work. they didn’t need practitioners to come to work. They needed us to stay home so they didn’t have to pay us. So we wouldn’t make those Those cute dances but so it was a complete opposite in March of 2021. So at that point I started receiving three to four calls a day from the staffing department to come in and that had never happened in my entire career. I had never, not even in the busiest winters. And that’s one of the funny things to think about is that usually You know that, any practitioner who works acute care knows this, is that in the summer months, the hospitals are not full. Those are always the time of year when we get canceled. And that was not the case here. The case was just the opposite. It was that, from March until I got fired, I was getting multiple calls a day from the staffing department to come to work. And that had never happened before in my entire career. And when I did go into work, it was extraordinary what I saw. So the code blues was I noticed that in June when I returned to the hospital in June after my finals. And I’m sure it was happening in March too. I just didn’t, pick up on it all. Cause it’s a lot, it’s a lot of things to really take in when you’re in it and seeing it. so I know I started noticing in June there were a lot of things going on that, but that was a big one. So on day shifts specifically, I noticed a massive influx of code blues, which is when somebody stops breathing or their heart stops. And normally in the hospital. A code blue is called, and it’s called out on the intercom over the whole hospital. And the, it’s a call to the specific location of where that patient is that stopped breathing. They’d say code blue, second floor, room 256, and then the emergency personnel would rush to that room. So these codes on the day shift were primarily being called down to the lower level of the hospital, which is where we were administering the COVID vaccines. And That in combination with a conversation that I’d had with a colleague who worked at a different Kaiser location. She worked she’s a friend that, of a friend that worked at the COVID injection clinics and she administered the COVID shots. And she had told her managers that she was seeing like an eight. 8 to 12 episodes of anaphylactic shock per day. Wow. And then when she reported it to her manager and asked about how she should be reporting it, they told her that if she reported the adverse events, she would be fired.

James Egidio: 30:35

To VAERS, correct? Correct.

Gail Macrae: 30:37

Yeah. And we have a mandatory we have taken an oath to report. Mandatory reporting is a real. Part of this and that was really the attitude throughout all of the so even in my hospital I didn’t hear directly from my manager. Oh if you report this we’re gonna fire you it was more like oh No, you can’t report that because we can’t prove that this is what caused the reaction and we just can’t be reporting things that we can’t prove so even, so for instance I, Guillain Barre is a great example. I had taken care of two patients with Guillain Barre over, the eight years as a nurse before COVID. And then within about a month of the rollout of these COVID shots I’d taken care of four patients with Guillain Barre within a month after two in eight years. And I had the opportunity to ask two of those patients if if they knew what had caused it. And two of them said that they had just received their COVID vaccines and that they thought that it was from the COVID vaccines. One of the women that I spoke to who said that I asked her if her doctor had reported it to VAERS. And she said that he didn’t report it and that he was refusing to report it. And I very strongly encouraged her to demand that he report it because and she had said the same thing to me in that, he didn’t want to report it because he was unsure if they could prove that it was actually being caused by the COVID vaccines. That’s pretty much how all of these injuries went. But I had a, my manager approached me also in June of 2021. And he said that our hospital had a threefold increase in hospital admissions, three times higher than they’d ever seen since the hospital opened their doors. And that was that happened in June as well, and that all started with the rollout of these shots. There were many factors that really came so strongly to me that these shots were extremely dangerous. I had two colleagues that went into anaphylactic shock after receiving these shots and they were scared. A, they were scared to report it. B, they were scared to get another shot. I never ended up finding out if they did, but one of my colleagues, I had a conversation with him about it after he had that experience and He was terrified, I just can’t imagine what it would be like to go into anaphylactic shock after taking one of these shots and then, being told to take another.

James Egidio: 33:25

Yeah. Yeah. It’s interesting because I interviewed a physician assistant, Deb Conrad out of upstate New York, and that interview was exactly on that topic of VAERS. She was reporting VAERS and she noticed the same thing. That prior to the vaccine or bioweapons, I call it you’d get maybe one or two or three, maybe reported, VAERS reports that you would submit per month, maybe, and yeah, maybe. And she started reporting, for a while there, three, four per day, then it was like eight a day. And then it was up to 10 a day and she would have to do these reports at home. She was overwhelmed with having to do these reports at home. And she did this for about two months. And she was reporting these events of injury to, through, to VAERS. and they got a, they got wind of it, the hospital she was working in, and they physically escorted her out of the hospital and fired her on the spot. Yeah, for reporting these injuries and deaths and me personally, I know of, and I probably parroted this so many times on so many episodes, but I personally know of eight people that died from these vaccines. The youngest was 30 and it was a cardiac event. He had a cardiac arrest. His brother found him dead on the floor in his house. and then, some turbo cancers, people I know have gotten turbo cancers, so there’s no question. In the past. If this was any other vaccine in the past they would have pulled it right away off the market. So this was all intentional as far as I’m concerned.

Gail Macrae: 35:09

Yeah, they really got it into our heads, that we couldn’t report and that they were safe and effective. Really I really feel that I was surrounded by colleagues who were in a trance. That was

James Egidio: 35:22

going to be my next question to you, by the way.

Gail Macrae: 35:24

Yeah. Yeah, they so all of these things I would bring up and I just Constantly felt that I was just hitting this brick wall with my colleagues. Like why are we administering remdesivir? Why aren’t we giving steroids? Why aren’t we reporting these side effects? Why are we you know, continuing to recommend that? You know that these things are safe and effective. And every time it just It was like really just mum is the word, people didn’t want to talk about it. It was either that they were too afraid to talk about it for the safety of their career, or that they really just believed all of these things were fine and they, there was this just cognitive dissonance. These people were just separated from reality and just unwilling or unable to see what was in front of them. I have a little, a few theories on this that I think are really important to talk about because some people I’ve noticed can really see what’s going on and some can’t. And the reasons for me that I’ve found for why it was that I could see what was happening when my colleagues weren’t, it’s really interesting. I noticed it before I left the hospital setting. That gosh, like this reminded me so much of high school and I’ll say that in that I was homeschooled and I remember being a teenager and realizing that my my friends, you know they really had their peer groups and they really developed their own value and self worth based on what their peers thought of them, right? And I wasn’t one of them because I was homeschooled And so I had to learn at a young age You know basically that I was responsible for determining my own value and self worth And, what other people thought of me wasn’t necessarily, determinant of my value and it really prepared me to engage with this during COVID because I didn’t really care, like my colleagues could think that I was out to lunch and it really didn’t impact my ability to make decisions. Moral and ethical decisions, and that’s really what I saw was that my colleagues were willing to compromise their ethics and their integrity in order to in order to remain within that group of socially accepted. Care providers. Sure. It was crazy. Yeah,

James Egidio: 38:30

it’s always good to be the outsider. I think, but it’s interesting too. I think a lot of it is especially with the public because, we were, you’re, you were in the medical industry and I was in the industry for a lot of the people that are not in the industry too. I think a lot of it was, for a long time up until 2020. At least for the most part, people had a lot of confidence in the medical industry. They always looked at the white coat as being the authority figure and that whatever they would prescribe or whatever they, for treatment, that was like, that was gold to the person, to the patient. And I think it’s really changed and shifted a lot of people’s perception of the medical industry since 2020, this whole thing with the vaccines and COVID and a lot of the stuff that’s, it’s, is getting out there. What do you think about that?

Gail Macrae: 39:24

What a question. It’s been I grapple with this because I am born and bred from that system. And although I’ve always. I’ve always, wanted to apply alternatives to healthcare. nOw I find myself in a situation where I’m being, I’m a part of the crumbling of that mentality. And it’s I hope, I know in my heart that I’m doing the right thing, and that’s really what’s guiding me in this, is that regardless of what this structure and this system determines is, right or wrong when it comes to, medical care and science at the end of the day, I really have to just come back to doing what’s right. In this moment and not worry about how this system is going to crumble because I see it. I see that people are losing their faith in this system. And it’s scary to watch because, we have an entire world who has You know, put all their eggs in this basket of Western philosophies around, pharmaceutical medicine. In my heart, I understand that, our bodies were designed to heal and that we are capable of, using the plant medicines from the land, and the things around us to find wellness and that, that’s. And that this system, this Western model really is based on symptom management, which is not wellness, right? Symptom management is putting a Band Aid on a festering wound and leaving it there to end up leading to sepsis. And that’s not wellness. And so my hope is that. Perhaps this experience can lead the world to recognize that we really need to find a system where we respect the profound, incredible cellular beings that we are and, seek wellness rather than seeking symptom management and not just in the medicines that we use but in the food that we eat And right all of the things that create wellness

James Egidio: 42:08

Yeah, I noticed when 20 in 2020 The immune system was never put into a conversation preventative It was just you know draconian lockdowns and mask and all this stuff and then you know, we have People like, Bill Gates involved in the vaccine programs, who’s not even a medical provider, doesn’t have a medical background. In fact, I actually have a video I wanted to share with you to basically illustrate his involvement in that, which I’m sure too, as well. But here’s the video. There are

Video: 42:46

pockets, and significant pockets, of the country where vaccines aren’t happening because of those You know, the anti vaxxers, or whatever you want to call them, who have made significant headway in trying to convince parents they shouldn’t vaccinate children. I was just looking at new data today from Orange County, California, with more than a few schools showing between 40 and 60 percent children not vaccinated. You could say this is a, we’re a victim of success. In the countries where you have measles all the time, nobody gets confused about this. Do you get mad about it? I get more mad about the deaths we’re not avoiding. I spend, my time on the countries where you still have, in the case of measles, over 300, 000 kids dying a year. In the case of diarrheal diseases, over a million a year. There’s six million kids a year still dying. Why aren’t we getting vaccines out in Africa? For diarrhea, for respiratory disease. Why don’t we have a vaccine for malaria? Those are the things that I I push forward. I wouldn’t say I get angry, but I’m really impatient that we’re not moving as fast as I’d like. You can catch the full interview this weekend on One on Saturday.

James Egidio: 44:03

What’s your take on this, Lunatic?

Gail Macrae: 44:08

Oh, man. He said it himself that his investments in vaccines have been the best decision he’s made in his life. I think that’s really the best thing to bring up here because Bill Gates has shown in his reputation over and over and over and over again that his primary goal is to make money. And it’s not for the wellness of the people. He has criminal charges against him in multiple countries around the world for experimenting on their populations with children and vaccines. He has, he just has a trail of of immoral choices and his life is littered with with proof of, the lack of morality in his decisions. I would apply that to everything that he says, because I can’t trust that man. He has too many red flags. Very strong proof of his lack of ethics and morality in so many different circumstances throughout his life that I just don’t trust him. I wouldn’t I would honestly, I would almost do the opposite of what he suggested in every situation because I have so little respect for him. And like you said, he’s not educated in these sciences. He doesn’t really understand how the immune system works, what, necessarily what it means to be well. If he does, he certainly doesn’t talk about it.

James Egidio: 45:46

Yeah, and I wanted to share something else with you and I wanted to get your take on because in your professional opinion, that is, where do you think this is all going? And as far as the future of medicine this whole thing with pandemics, I know you don’t have a crystal ball, but what’s your take on the future of medicine?

Gail Macrae: 46:08

I’m a dreamer. I have decided to completely exit Western medicine and really start focusing my energy and expertise on developing, private parallel infrastructure. And I don’t know if that’s necessarily the path either.

James Egidio: 46:28

Whoa!

Gail Macrae: 46:29

Lightning storm. That felt like it was right outside my door. Yeah! Yep, the storm just started here in Yeah, we’re getting

James Egidio: 46:40

it here too. That’s good. I’ll keep that in the, I’ll keep that in the recording, by the way.

Gail Macrae: 46:47

That was really impressive. Did you see the flash too? I

James Egidio: 46:50

did.

Gail Macrae: 46:52

Interesting. Yeah, so you know, I’m an eternal optimist about wellness. I mean I think that more than anything, this is going to be, this is going to need to be a spiritual transition because until we really realize and discover that. We are divine and that all of these low vibrational frequencies like fear and anger and revenge and things like that they just don’t, in order for humanity to really get beyond this place where we’re in right now, we’re really just going to have to let those things go and start realizing and respecting each other as sovereign beings. Building this foundation of wellness on that respect for each other and recognizing, I tell my patients this all the time, I tell them, this is actually probably one of the hardest things for me stepping into the realm of being a primary care provider is helping people understand that they need to take responsibility for their own wellness. No practitioner is going to heal someone, each individual has to take on that power and that responsibility and recognize that, they have it in themselves, I’m here as a guide and my goal is to give people the tools to find wellness. But. I think that’s a big part of the failure in Western medicine is that, like you said, we have all these practitioners up on a pedestal and it removes the patient’s own capacity to find and create wellness for themselves because they’re looking to their practitioner to do it for them, which of course we can’t. It’s a That’s where I would love to see medicine go, is in a direction of autonomy, individual respect, and finding wellness for ourselves with the support of practitioners who also understand that, wellness is attained through balance. And not being afraid of the world around us, that’s a big part of this for me, too, is why are we so terrified of the environment around us in the first place? We are part of the Earth finding a place of equanimity with, All of these bacterias and viruses in the world around us. If we’re not well in ourselves, we aren’t going to be able to find that wellness. And yeah, so these are I get really optimistic about these things. And yeah, you’re

James Egidio: 49:42

a lot more optimistic than I am. I know they’re trying so hard. And I say they, these so called globalists, which is part of the WHO, the World Health Organization, United Nations. they really, they’ve spent just billions, they’ve spent billions and billions of dollars through, through the media and even through pushing the narratives through with scaring people with future pandemics and whatnot. That I could see why people get fixated on the fear factor because of that. And in fact, I actually, I have another video I wanted to share about that. But, I think too, that there, it’s I don’t see them stopping at this point. And my answer to that, to a lot of people in a lot of episodes, and even some of the current writings that I’ve been posting on Substack is that it’s simple, don’t comply with these people. This is a ruse. This is, that’s why I call it the plandemic. thEy’re. This was never about COVID, this was about the vaccine, and they used COVID. They could have used H1N1, they could have used swine flu, they could have used Ebola, they could have used any of those. That was the vehicle to get people to use to, for them to administer the vaccine, the vaccination or the bioweapon as I call it. And then, to go as far as this potted plant that we have in office in Washington Biden he pushes it with mandates. Don’t listen to these people. Don’t even, same thing with Donald Trump. Donald Trump was all part of this Operation Warp Speed, never apologized about it, never took responsibility for it. And this was after there were a lot of injuries and deaths, and still pushing the vaccination or the bioweapon again, as I call it. So you don’t need to listen to these people. You have a God given right not to listen to these people. We have a God given right to not listen to these people. And I’ll repeat that. yeAh, so I wanted to just share a video real quick with the World Health Organization and with this Tedros from the World Health Organization is predicting the

Video: 51:53

phase of COVID 19 was declared over the head of the World Health Organization is urging countries to make changes and start preparing for the next global pandemic. When the next pandemic comes knocking, And it will, we must be ready to answer decisively, collectively, and The 194 member states of the World Health Organization, including Canada, are currently negotiating reforms to the binding rules that help the organization respond to international threats. Countries are being urged to boost funding for the UN Health Agency and to ensure smaller nations are not left behind for future pandemics

James Egidio: 52:37

so again, it seems like it’s about control. Implementing all these amendments through the World Health Organization and people have to, I guess you can look at it from a macro level, which is that the WHO and the United Nations. And then you want to look at it like you were saying earlier from a micro level, from a personal level, from a spiritual level. How does someone how does someone juggle those two things?

Gail Macrae: 53:09

Yeah, that’s quite the predicament we’re up against. I hear this treaty they’re trying to implement in May of this year, and it could have some really profound impacts on every country in the world who signs on. It’s a scary thought, if this treaty can You know, overtake our constitution in this country. That’s profound.

James Egidio: 53:38

Yeah. They’re meeting again, I believe the 27th of this month, actually. I interviewed James Roguski on a pretty much a frequent basis to get updates on, cause he’s an expert on that. And I believe it’s the 27th of January,

Gail Macrae: 53:54

but yeah. And if this goes down, the one world. The One World Government will definitely have treaties in place. I I had a friend remind me recently about how, all these treaties and laws and all these things that are put in place to corral societies. That’s that’s really like the physical aspect of life. And then there’s the other side, which is the spiritual aspect of life. And I look at I try to use those two kind of philosophies to think about it. They’re taking they’re really Potentially already have complete physical control. I’ve seen court cases where, it shows that if your genome has been altered, you become the property of the of the company who owns the product. And the physical world, it really seems to be coming to this point where they, they may have complete control and I guess what I would say to that in my optimism is that They can use whatever tactics and letters and notes and Jurisdictions and lawyers and all of this they can do all of these things for themselves But ultimately at the end of the day, you know We’re still free sovereign Souls and we can choose to go along or not go along and I try and just remember that and just choose to not go along with this and yeah, I mean I am up against this constantly of trying to bring awareness to this treaty that could potentially completely remove our sovereignty, you know on the physical side of things and Can we stop it? I hope so.

James Egidio: 56:03

Yeah, me too. I pray that we do. So share with the viewers and listeners of the Medical Truth podcast as to what you’re doing now with your organization.

Gail Macrae: 56:15

I am doing some awesome things with StandFirmNow. org StandFirmNow is a non profit, it’s a, it’s one of these private organizations we’re attempting to build expert witness testimony because as an expert witness I’ve come into this realm of complete and utter failure in the legal world. Where, we are filing lawsuits, we it’s the same thing really in the legal world as it is in the medical world in that, the lawyers are scared to litigate against COVID crimes and the judges are, too concerned to allow these cases to go to trial, for their reputations. so The purpose of stand firm now is to gather expert witness testimony to put an end to the court’s ability to continue to perpetuate, fraud and lies in the courts. Because if we have, so what they keep saying to us is that we haven’t set precedence. And we don’t, we haven’t established a fact pattern with COVID related cases. And so they won’t proceed forward with litigation because of that. So Stanfirm now is a legal process to set precedence and establish a fact pattern. If we can get thousands of practitioners to sign a document that pretty much spells out all of the atrocities of COVID. and attest to it. And that’s the difference I’ll say between what I’ve done here with Dr. Christiane Northrup and Lynette Madison and what other people there’s a legal group, I forget the name of it now, but they had something like 16, 000 doctors around the world sign a document to state that COVID was a scam, basically. I’m forgetting the name of it now. It’s not Tom Renz, is it? There have been a few. Yeah, he might be on that case but those types of signatures don’t really carry weight. And that’s really the difference, is that when you sign, when you have a document, an affidavit, and you get it notarized, I can take that into court. And it will stand as a statement of truth to the judge. And that’s not the case with any of these other, Oh, sign this document things around COVID. They don’t carry the legal weight that an affidavit does. these affidavits, if we can get thousands of practitioners to notarize these one of these affidavits and send them in we’ll be submitting them into the courts in an administrative capacity and then at that point, we’ll be able to appeal them into international jurisdiction to make this evidence available to every litigating attorney around the world. So that’s really the point, is to set precedents and establish a pa a fact pattern with a legal document that can’t be disputed. So it’s a very powerful action. I’ve had a circuit court judge reach out to me about it and offer, we continue to update and improve the document. In addition to the document, we have 400 more than 400 pieces of evidence to support every statement in the affidavit. In addition to that, if there’s something that, somebody doesn’t like in the affidavit, they can cross it out, they can add what they want. We created this boilerplate document to make it easy for people because, we know that it’s hard to take the time out of your day to create a legal document. But this by no means is the only thing that one can use. And we’ve done this to try and, like I said, make it really easy for people to submit their voices to this, to some kind of action that can actually set precedence in the courts. Another thing is that it doesn’t matter if you’re active or retired as a practitioner. These affidavits are targeted at at people who could be considered medical medical or science experts. So it’s not relevant to your experience. It’s relevant to your expertise and your knowledge base. It, it can extend to a wide range of people who are willing to get involved. It’s I’m looking forward to getting this evidence to establish the fact pattern so that we can start winning in court. So hopefully that’ll happen this next, this year.

James Egidio: 1:01:06

Yeah. We have some great attorneys that are looking at some loopholes with the rollout of the vaccine. I know one of them is, I’ve interviewed him Warner Mendenhall. I’m not sure if you’re familiar with him, but I interviewed him. He’s representing Deb Conrad, the physician assistant that I mentioned who Report at the VAERS injuries, as well as Brooke Jackson, who was the whistleblower for Pfizer. Yeah.

Gail Macrae: 1:01:33

Yeah. I would like to speak more with him. I am in contact with him. Yeah. Great guy. Yeah. I’m hoping that we can work together to really start taking down the Goliath here.

James Egidio: 1:01:46

Absolutely. You mentioned too on your website, I noticed about PCR tests. What’s that about?

Gail Macrae: 1:01:54

The PCR tests there are so many things about those that are fraud. Yeah. So we ran those first of all, the PCR test, the creator, the PCR test, said that they could never be used as a diagnostic test. In addition, which is what we have done with them, with covid, we’re using them as a diagnostic test. They are not they are not equipped to do that. in Addition to that, we run them at cycle thresholds that are, like, double what accurate r results would be produced at. So the, I think the CDC recommended a cycle threshold less than, I believe it was 40. It could have been 36. Either way the manufacturers of the PCR test stated that, If it was run over a cycle threshold of, I believe, 18, it could have been 16 the results would be inaccurate, which is basically every single PCR test that has been taken in the world. Yeah. They’ve all been run at cycle thresholds that produce inaccurate information, on top of the fact that PCR tests were not ever designed. To diagnose. So

James Egidio: 1:03:12

I have some video footage to from the inventor of the PCR test to actually back up your statement there. Carrie, how

Video: 1:03:22

do they misuse PCR to estimate all these supposed free viral RNAs that may or may not be there? I think misuse PCR is not quite, I don’t think you can misuse PCR. The results, the interpretation of it. See, if you can say if they wanted if they could find this virus in you at all, and with PCR, if you do it well, you can find almost anything in anybody, it starts making you believe in the sort of Buddhist notion that everything is contained in everything else, right? Because if you can mo amplify one single molecule up to a, to something that you can really measure, which PCR can do, then there’s just very few molecules that you don’t have at least one single one of them in your body, okay? So that could be thought of as a misuse of it, just to, to claim that it’s meaningful. But the real misuse of it is that you don’t need to test for HIV, you don’t need to test for the other 10, 000 retroviruses that are unnamed, also in the subject. See, somebody that’s got HIV, generally is gonna have almost anything that you can test for, because they have definitely been, HIV is a fairly rare virus. There’s only one million of us out of 250, 300 million people in America that have that virus. So you have to get around, either your mother had to have it and pass it to you, or you have to really be paying a lot of attention to people that do have it and paying only attention to them and get a pretty good chance of getting it that way. It’s hard to get it, but if you have it, there’s a good chance you’ve also got a lot of other ones. Because you’ve been in the market for, it’s been possible for you to get a lot of it’s, to test for that one and say that has any special meaning is what I think is the problem. Not that PCR has been misused, it’s Is it an estimation? It’s not an estimation, it’s a real, it’s a really quantitative thing. It tells you something about nature and about what’s there, but it allows you to take a very minuscule amount of anything and make it measurable and then talk about it in meetings and stuff like it is important. See that’s not a misuse, that’s just a misinterpretation. iT is. There’s very little of what they call

James Egidio: 1:05:33

HIV. So there you go, he pretty much talks about the fact that, you could test for thousands of different things with a PCR test and it’s not accurate. At that time, it was HIV. Yeah,

Gail Macrae: 1:05:48

Dr. Rainer Fulmich also interviewed a woman who was a PCR expert. And she said some things that I will never forget in her analysis of our PCR tests. She stated that our tests they had been programmed to react positively to three different fragments. of the DNA of the of the coronavirus and she stated that those were three of the most common genetic markers in any virus in existence. And when I got that information from an expert I really, it really helped me understand how flawed they created these tests to be. I’m sure they could have created PCR tests that may have been more accurate had they been properly created with one genetic marker that was unique to coronavirus rather than three separate markers that were prevalent in the genetics of pathogens in nature in combination with running these tests properly. You know at cycle thresholds of whatever it was 16 or below, you know Maybe that would have produced some accurate information, but as it stands I place zero stock in PCR tests. I’ve never taken one I won’t take one because they’re utter nonsense in my professional opinion in the state that they’re in, sure there may be a time or a place where I would re evaluate, the science and the evidence and I would understand, this has actually been correctly formulated and, let’s re discuss.

James Egidio: 1:07:36

And there was no discussion. It’s all censorship and, this doesn’t exist and it’s just, it’s gone it’s crazy. I don’t know where any of this is going to end anymore. Like you said, I’m beyond getting mad. It’s just nice to talk to experts such as yourself, people that were in the profession, and at least get some, there’s some glimmer of hope. Like you said, you want to be optimistic as much as you can. And like you said we’re sovereign beings, so we can make decisions for ourselves. And you just hope and pray that people don’t fall prey to this again. And if they do, I’ve warned a lot of family members about it. Some listened, some didn’t. I don’t know. I don’t know what the answer is.

Gail Macrae: 1:08:21

Yeah. I’m in the same boat. Yeah.

James Egidio: 1:08:24

Yeah. But thank you so much for joining me for this episode of the Medical Truth Podcast, Gail. I really appreciate it. Thank you, James. Absolutely. Keep me updated on everything too, please. Will do. Alright. Thanks

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