“Know Your Medical Rights; Informed Consent”- Interview With Laura Bartlett
There was a time many years ago that the second safest place to go besides grandma’s house for the weekend was the hospital; unfortunately, that all changed in 2020 when the pandemic broke out, or did it? Listen to this episode of the Medical Truth Podcast as James Egidio interviews Laura Bartlett, who considers herself a Patient Advocate. In 2020 she courageously launched a hospital rescue organization called Hospital Hostage Help, whereby she educates and informs patients and their families about their medical rights. www.ProtocolKills.com
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Episode Transcript
James Egidio:
Hi, I am James Egidio, your host of the Medical Truth Podcast. The podcast that tells the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth about the American healthcare system. There was a time many years ago that the second safest place to go besides Grandma’s house for the weekend was the hospital. Unfortunately, that all changed in 2020 when the plandemic broke out or did it? In episode number 11 of the Medical Truth Podcast titled Our Amazing Grace. I interviewed Scott Schara, whose 19 year old daughter, Grace Schara, was tragically murdered at the hands of doctors and nurses when she went into the hospital for what Scott believed was COVID. My guest leads her life by glorifying God first. She is considered a patient advocate, in 2020. She courageously launched a hospital rescue organization inspired by her physician brother, Dr. Richard Bartlett. The organization is called Hospital Hostage Help, which you can find online at www.protocolkills.com. It is my pleasure an honor and a blessing to introduce on the Medical Truth Podcast, my guest Ms. Laura Bartlett. Hi, Laura. I’m sorry Dr. how you doing?
Laura Bartlett:
Have a lot of powers. I’m doing great. Thank you so much.
James Egidio:
Great. Just to share a little bit about what the viewers and listeners of the Medical Truth Podcast a little bit about yourself and hostage ho Hospital Hostage help.
Laura Bartlett:
So back in 2020. During the beginning of the whole COVID thing there was a lot of confusion what, what could you do? Back at the very beginning of this I started helping my brother, Dr. Richard Bartlett get the word out about budesomide and how effective that was for early treatment and in the process of doing that people assumed that I was privy to what was going on with COVID and they would just reach out in desperation to me and ask, what can I do? I’m in the hospital, even just total strangers. What can I do? Were led through friends of a friend. That’s how it all started at the very beginning of how can I get the doctor in the hospital if they found themself in hospital to respect my wishes for different protocols or to respect my wish to not do a protocol. So that’s how it all started. The need for knowing their patient rights and how to assert them.
James Egidio:
So for the people that are listening and viewers, the process for how this works, so I guess maybe a scenario or a couple stories in your experience with your rescue operation, the way it would work or some examples
Laura Bartlett:
Sure. One of the first stories was out of New Jersey, a gentleman through not really being af front, just a Facebook contact had reached out to me and said, can you please call this gentleman? He is he’s in desperate need of help. His father, who is in his seventies, generally in really good shape, very healthy normally was brought to the hospital because they didn’t know really why he was, feeling the way he was feeling. So they took him to the hospital outta just an overabundance of caution, and it turned out that he was there just for a urinary tract infection and They quickly COVID tested him and admitted him and started him on the protocol that all the hospitals were doing and when they tried to assert their patient right to, to do something in addition to the normal protocol, which was budesomide, inhaled budesomide steroid, which is a targeted steroid to your lung been shown very effective by the Oxford University and stoic trial to be 90% effective in early COVID treatment. They didn’t respect that wish and he quickly developed pneumonia. He looked like he was deteriorating right before their very eyes. So they, anyway, it was a fight to get him out. They told him that he, it was more or less a hostage situation. That’s where the name Hospital Hostage Hotline came from, because they told him he couldn’t leave. And so his father is deteriorating like I said he gets covid pneumonia. He’s getting worse. They’re moving him rapidly closer to a ventilator, and that’s when, against medical advice, the family decided to take him out. He wanted out. He was begging to get out and he just couldn’t get out on his own when he is in such bad shape. So they, he left against medical advice and he started budesomide at home. And he made a full recovery. It was within days he was back to his normal self sitting at the breakfast table, reading the newspaper and doing everything that he enjoyed doing before he ever went into the hospital. But that was so eye-opening back in 2020. That was November of 2020. That was my, one of my first and it just started happening more frequently where people were reaching out and I’m like, wow this is all over the country. I’m in Texas, but this seems to be a need all over America where people don’t know what they can do or how to assert their patient, right? That they always had the right to inform consent, meaning what are the risk, the benefits, and the reasonable, alternatives to treatment That’s being suggested by the doctor. And it was always the patient’s right with that doctor to make that decision whether or not, yeah, let’s go ahead and do that, or No, I don’t wanna do that. The risk outweigh the benefit, or whatever the reason may be. They always had the they always had the rights to say that they just didn’t know they were, they had just this blind trust in the, what the doctors were telling them and even if they came in with some healthy skepticism and curiosity. They were not being respected for that patient to inform consent. The doctors weren’t giving them the risk, the benefits unless the patient asked for them. And even with that question of what are the risk and benefits with the patients initiating that, the doctors were very reluctant to really disclose that. So I saw that there’s a big need for people to understand, what their rights were and then how to assert them effectively. And I was just so fortunate that in the be beginning stages of this whole process, I had a hospital insider, just a brave individual who came from that world, out of that world who was a hospital administrator at that level, a RN and JD to reach out to me and say, Hey, I, I know how the system works and if these patients stand a chance they can approach it this way. So I had insider knowledge of how to advocate very strongly and effectively because of this inside knowledge from an insider who will remain anonymous for the purposes of safety and security. You could understand why.
James Egidio:
Sure. What do you think motivates these healthcare providers in the hospital to act in such a nefarious way?
Laura Bartlett:
I, who, who can tell, who can really get inside the head of anybody really? But the point is that regardless of whatever the motivation is the patient needs to understand. Anybody watching this podcast needs to understand that regardless of what someone’s motivations are, they have a duty to give you informed consent and informed consent is asking the risk, benefits and alternatives to any treatment. The doctor, it’s a relationship between the doctor and the patient only. Not Dr. Fauci, not a Remdesivir Fairy, not the WHO, not any of these entities that have been talked about, that are so disconnected from that individual who’s in a hospital right now. And wondering, how do I get the doctor to talk to me? How do I know how to ask for this or that, or to say, don’t do this or that, whether that’s a vaccine or a treatment. I guess people just need to understand it’s not the hospital, CEO, it’s not the hospital patient advocate. It’s not even, it’s not even the nurse who you’ll see more often than the doctor, but the doctor is the only person who can order treatments or medications. That’s the person that’s the linchpin to move the needle in the right direction for the patient, for getting a better treatment plan, for being able to ask for a certain medication or to have a certain medication discontinued or not started at all. It is that doctor, it’s nobody else. And the whole conversation has been so turned upside down and I think possibly as a distraction because if patients knew that they had the right all along at the beginning of 2020 before 2020, and it’ll still remain this way after 2023, it’ll always be about informed consent and that patient be able to say no and how to get that doctor’s attention to honor their no. How do you do that? No is always meant. It’s, you gotta, you got to let them first of all know, your rights. So let’s talk about informed consent and how that differs from the general consent that I think I sent you a graphic for general consent.
James Egidio:
You did, yes. And I’m gonna sit here, I’m gonna, I’m gonna pull this up here in a minute. Let’s see. So this is the form you’re talking about right here, I believe.
Laura Bartlett:
It’s a general consent. It’s just an example. It’s just one example of a general consent, But it’s a general consent that I sent you.
James Egidio:
Yeah. It says informed consent at the top.
Laura Bartlett:
It does, but that’s,
James Egidio:
oh, okay. So that’s something different. All right. And then that’s the, that’s not the this one right here? Nope, that’s not it either. It’s I sent it in the first email. Oh, okay. I don’t know if I have that one. Okay.
Laura Bartlett:
It’s all right. I’ll find it. I’ll just pull it up. Here it is. Okay. So this is just a, I’ll just read it for you. It’s and I sent it to you so you can use it in post. But this is a general consent form, and there’s several points on this general consent form. This is just an example in Texas at one hospital that they send a hospital system that would use a general consent form, And the very first point on that general consent, which everybody signs when you go into a hospital, says, or they can’t treat you. they should have you sign something to say, yes, you can do something to me. So nobody just gets to poke and prod or do things to you without your consent. So this general consent says, I understand that my health condition requires inpatient or outpatient admission. I consent to an authorized testing treatment and hospital care at this hospital a Texas Hospital Resources Hospital. This just happens to be the one by hospital nurses, employees, and others as ordered by my physician and his her consultants, associates, and assistants. Or as directed pursuant to standing medical orders or protocols. So that’s just a basic general consent. And then the second point, this is interesting, this number two on this general consent form tells you, nobody ever reads it, it says independent physicians, colon. I acknowledge as the patient that the physicians taking part in my care or providing a professional service to me do not work for the hospital and that the hospital is not responsible for their judgment or conduct. That tells you a lot.
James Egidio:
It does, yes.
Laura Bartlett:
That’s a general consent,
James Egidio:
right?
Laura Bartlett:
yeah they practice independently. So it’s really a contract. They’re not employees. They practice independently from the rest of the hospital staff. Okay. So what people need to understand is that it really is between the patient and the doctor, the negotiation, whatever you wanna call it, it begins with the patient and the doctor only to get anything changed. When there was a, a lot of discussion about, the hospital’s forcing the doctor to do these protocols. That’s that no. The hospital, the CEO does not have a medical license. The hospital patient advocate that works for the hospital, which is an employee, they don’t have a medical license. The nurse does not have a medical license to order medication, prescribed medication. So order treatment, change treatment protocol. It was only the doctor. I can’t emphasize that enough. If people grasp this at the very beginning, that it’s the doctor that’s on the hook. It’s not the CEO. A lot of talk has been about that mean dirty, down, downright rotten, CEO, Or that president of the hospital or whoever. That wouldn’t change anybody for that. John Doe, Jane Doe laying in a hospital bed. It was the doctor and the patient had the power to assert the right for discontinuing a treatment, starting a new treatment of their choice. It was the patient. So how do you get the doctor’s? You could say the doctor didn’t want to, or the doctor’s motivated. Or the doctor felt forced. It didn’t matter. It didn’t matter. Cuz let me give you an example. If you had breast cancer during COVID and you started a treatment, let’s call it chemo, right? And you started down that road towards a protocol or a treatment option that the doctor and you agreed on, which is in this case, chemotherapy. You decided, and you decided at a certain point, I don’t wanna do it anymore. You could not do it anymore. You had the power to say I’m stopping. Nobody could force that, that on a patient, they respected what’s called informed consent. And even though you may have consented to it at the beginning, you had the right to withdraw that consent at any point and it was respected. Yeah. So why was it not respected? People bought on, during COVID? Why was it not respected then, or why did people just have that notion? It was believed by the masses that the doctor had no choice, or he’s, or they deferred the conversation to they were manipulated. The doctors are being coerced, they’re being forced to do it. No, nobody held a gun to that doctor’s head.
James Egidio:
But don’t you think too, that there so much trust was given to healthcare providers in general across the board, like nurses and doctors over the years, for many years, the Dr. Wellby’s of the profession and the public had so much trust in ’em. And then, it’s a situation where let’s say, I go to the hospital. I’m not feeling good. I’m, that’s obviously why I’m going to the hospital. And I’m putting all my trust in the medical staff to take care of me. That’s what we’re supposed to do. That’s the way it’s supposed to have been for many years. Like I said, in the opening of this show, is that the second safest place to go to for many years was the hospital besides grandma’s house for the weekend. But and people are just like what it’s, it’s, the doctor knows best. The doctor knows best
Laura Bartlett:
and right on because that used to be the case, but there has been a major cultural shift right. In hospitals in the last three years. And I’ll be completely honest, I’ve had surgery before in the hospital and I didn’t think to ask these questions 10 years ago. But outta necessity I got to be a pretty good student of patient rights and how to assert my rights in the last three years. So you, you don’t, and I’ve gotta be clear, you don’t have to be a nurse. I’m not a nurse, I’m not a doctor. I’m not a scientist. And you don’t need to be, it was never a prerequisite to look for an outside source that you could hire, that you you could pay to advocate for you. You don’t need to be a lawyer. Your patient rights are your rights and there’s unalienable rights. They’re, you have bodily autonomy as your right.
James Egidio:
Yeah. Compare and contrast though, with what. I guess the term in the medical industry is against medical advice, AMA versus, patient rights. What’s, how does that compare?
Laura Bartlett:
The ama you know, that, that form I sent you okay. You might be conflating AMA versus a, the AMA acronym for Amer American Medical. Yeah. No, against medical advice is ama That’s the ama, okay. That ama against medical advice. So the patient needs to to weigh the options. They’ve always been a shared decision maker in their healthcare choices in a hospital for a treatment protocol or when they wanna leave. I have an example. There was a 93 year old woman that I was helping in the Dallas area, and she went in not for covid. She went in for another reason. And she was no less than five times. Let me repeat that five times. Coerced and metaphorically chased around the hospital to get a covid vaccine. When she clearly stated she was conscious this whole time she was able to think clearly, voice her opinion, weigh in on her medical decision. She said, I do not want, under any circumstances, a Covid vaccine. And no less than five times she was harassed, get the Covid vaccine. On the last night I was helping her advocate with her during the process she reaches out and she says, Laura, they are it’s getting scary here. I don’t trust, since they didn’t respect my wishes the first, second, third, fourth or fifth time, that they wouldn’t, the sixth time wait till I’m asleep and then say that I am that I somehow grimaced or mumbled something in my sleep that I was giving my consent. For a covid vaccine. So she said, I don’t trust them. I feel safer outside the hospital than inside the hospital. And I said it’s your choice. If are you feeling like you could go home health-wise? She was, let me be very clear, she knew she was going to be discharged by the hospital medically discharged about eight, roughly eight or nine hours later. It was midnight. And she didn’t feel safe cuz she’s getting sleepy. So what does she do? She decides she’s going to go through the formality of leaving by calling the nurse into her room to disconnect the things the leads, like the her IV and some other equipment from her. So she pushes the call button for 20 minutes and nobody comes 20 minutes. I think that’s an plenty amount of time for someone to walk across the hall. Nobody comes. So she’s I gotta up the ante. She starts disconnecting leads like a lead to her chest, to the machine, and they send off alarms. She knew that would happen. She’s hearing the squawking. Nobody comes. I think her assumption that she was better off at home than in the hospital was pretty correct.
James Egidio:
Yeah. God bless her though. She was a fighter man. I, you gotta love it. I’m surprised she didn’t start swinging.
Laura Bartlett:
Oh. So she, her family, my sister puts her in a wheelchair, takes her home. And let me tell you, that’s not the end of the story because I get a call when she gets home. I’m, we’re safe. Got mom home, the daughter says,
James Egidio:
God bless.
Laura Bartlett:
There’s somebody at the door, someone is knocking on our front door. It’s now like one o’clock in the morning. It’s the police,
James Egidio:
of course
Laura Bartlett:
they called the hospital, had called the police on it.
James Egidio:
Sure.
Laura Bartlett:
So I’m telling you this, people do need to know the circumstances that they’re in. And let me, this the reason. This is a good point to bring in the forms that I had sent you.
James Egidio:
Okay.
Laura Bartlett:
OurPatientRights.Com. If had she had these forms, she would’ve known if she the hospital would’ve been put on notice in writing, not verbally, where they could say, I didn’t understand. You have a thick accent. You are, you’re we didn’t hear it. It wasn’t loud enough. Put it in writing. And that’s how the forms were born with the help of a hospital insider, like I mentioned. That knew that would be the catalyst for getting your informed consent respected. You put it in writing the things that you signed, the general consent of course, but there’s a carve out that you are telling the hospital, yes, I consent to treatment, care that you’re gonna do that for you to treat me. I’ve got a consent. But it’s a carve out just like the Jehovah’s Witness do, and they’ve done this for many years. The hospital has to respect their religious, deeply held spiritual, religious, and spiritual beliefs. I’m not a Jehovah’s Witness, I’m a Christian, but it doesn’t matter if it’s my deeply held spiritual religious and spiritual belief to believe in dancing naked around trees. My, my personal belief, it would, it needs to be respected if that is my deeply held religious and spiritual beliefs. And they need to be factored into treatments and other things like the Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that if you bring a document to the hospital that tells the hospital very clearly in writing. That you do not believe in a blood product. Getting a blood transfusion, let’s say like Jehovah’s witness, it needs to be not only respected, it’ll get added into the patient electronic medical record so that all the physicians in the care of that patient, no, do not give this patient blood products cuz it’s their deeply held religious and spiritual belief. So this opened up a huge opportunity for people to really have some teeth in their informed consent document. To add that language like we did that in our document, which is at OurPatientRights.com. It tells the doctor that this is my deeply held religious and spiritual belief, which is, this is settled in writing. This is settled bioethics. Okay. They may have been respecting this for years and years, that if you said it’s my deeply held religious and spiritual belief. Not to get a COVID vaccine, not to get a flu vaccine while I’m in the hospital not to get a certain treatment protocol during covid, whether that’s Remdesevir or otherwise, that it’s documented, it’s written, it’s signed. And then there’s a specific way we deliver these documents, cuz I know there’s a lot of documents floating around out there, but you don’t just hand it to ’em. If you go to OurPatientRights.com, there’s specific instructions that have been carefully laid out by an insider, hospital insider to know how does it, how do you get eyes on this document? How do they not disregard it? How does it get into the medical record? If you just hand it to a nurse, it could be put down next to the bedside table. It could be put at the nurse’s station, stuck in a pocket. It could be stuck in a trash can. Who knows? But if you give it, if you deliver it in two ways, one of them is by putting it in the USPS priority mailer certified return receipt requested to the CEO of that hospital. because he is in charge of the medical records, so he gets the certified mail on his desk. first of all, take notice of that. This is important. It’s probably time sensitive. He’s gonna open it and it’s legal notice, by the way. It’s not just, oh, this is another piece of mail on my desk. This is a legal way of notifying the CEO of that hospital that you need to take this seriously. You need to do this. So he’s going to see, That this is your current consent wishes. Just if you had been if you had received that documentation from a Jehovah’s Witness, it has to be respected. It will quickly get put into the electronic medical record. And that way, regardless of how many doctors cycle in and out of that individual’s patient care, all of them see it. So there’s a second way. There’s a second way. Okay. Leave no stone unturned. The second way is by sending it by a professional courier service that needs to be signed for and dated. Who signed for it? You have a legal record that you got it. You can’t say you didn’t know, you can’t say that. You weren’t aware. It’s in writing. What’s more binding in a contract even in business, from business to business than it’s something in writing y to verbally say yeah let’s agree on this and that in a business relationship. No, everything’s in writing. Think about it. Your will is in writing. So this is this is what I wanna go into next is the language of that caregiver’s consent
James Egidio:
and hold your thought too. I think it’s a good reminder to everybody that’s listening to what you just said make sure that you make photocopies of all the original and staple your receipts from your, the post office or the carrier, whoever you utilize.
Laura Bartlett:
That’s all very good. That all that is, it is meticulously stated in that yes, the directions on, you’re not gonna forget a step. They are so carefully laid out in these by the hospital insider on our OurPatientRights.com that you can’t miss a step.
James Egidio:
Yeah. Beautiful.
Laura Bartlett:
And so let’s talk about the language of this document. It is not a medical plain Jane vanilla medical directives. It’s not, it is your current consent. It’s right now, I don’t want blood products If you’re a Jehovah’s Witness, I don’t want a COVID vaccine right now. Not later. When I’m not when I’m incapacitated it’s for right now, let me read the language of the our patient rights consent form, please.
James Egidio:
That’s the one you want up, right? Or is it?
Laura Bartlett:
Nope. Oh, okay. All right. Hold on just a second. Sure. You can probably bring it up. If you go to ourpatientrights.com, if you can pull up that if you can’t, I’ll just pull it up. you’ll have to pull that one up. Okay. Just gimme just a second. Yep. Take your time. Okay. This is when you go to ourpatientrights.com. You’re gonna get there’s two PDFs hanging out there. This is for everybody who wants the hospital to know for themself what they consent to and what they absolutely don’t consent to. So I encourage everybody listening to this and beyond to do this now. If you don’t want a vaccine, you don’t want somebody to think you might want it because you grimaced while you were asleep or incapacitated, that you are giving passively, you’re giving. Consent implied consent. You better get your wishes in writing. So here’s the language of that document. The first, I’ll just read the first two paragraphs. Okay. Alright. I. It says, caregivers and consent. I. You put your name in there. Advise all patients, nurses and other caregivers. physicians. I’m sorry. I just overlooked the word here. I, my, your name. As the patient advise all physicians, nurses, and other caregivers that this caregivers and consent document reflects my current wishes for my care and are carefully planned and intentional wishes. This caregivers and consent document also reflects my deeply held religious and spiritual beliefs. Please ensure that this caregivers and consent document is clearly accessible in the electronic medical records at all time for all my care providers. Receipt of this caregivers and consent document by the hospital serves as notice that I will report to the medical board any physician who violates my carefully planned and intentional wishes that are based upon my deeply held religious and spiritual beliefs, and are delineated within the caregivers and consent document. And then further my care carefully planned and intent. This is underlined emboldened carefully planned and intentional wishes that are based upon my deeply held religious and spiritual beliefs include colon and there are There are things that you can elect to consent to or by initialing next to them. For instance, that I do not consent to receiving any vaccine or booster for Covid 19 or Covid 19 variant. Whatever they’re gonna call that. I do not consent to receive the flu vax, the pneumococcal vax, the or any vaccine There are options on there. Or if you have any other medication that you’re not interested in ever getting, you’re flatly saying no. So let me see if there’s anything else I wanna read. To understand why this is so important. Can you pull up that AMA document again?
James Egidio:
Sure. Absolutely. Okay.
Laura Bartlett:
It’s the purple, I think it had purple on the, yeah,
James Egidio:
there we go.
Laura Bartlett:
So there’s number three of the AMA, AMA, stands for American Medical Association. For code of medical ethics opinion 2.1.1. Point one. If you look at point number three, It’s, it says document the informed consent conversation and the patient or surrogate’s decision in the medical record in some manner. When the patient surrogate has provided specific written consent, bingo, the consent form should be included in the record. You can’t get any clearer than that. They have to, that’s the, that’s what guides medical boards. And so when we’re promising that if you violate this, there will be a immediate complaint filed against that doctor to the state medical board. There’s grounds for that. Good doctors, let me tell you what this does for the good doctors. We’ve talked about the doctors who have just trampled patient rights, but the if, if there are good doctors in the system, they will welcome this. They will be so grateful for having something that they can say, I’m not doing this protocol even. Those, some are incentivized financially, right? I’m not, even if it upsets the structure of the hospital, I’m not doing this because this is, because this document says there will be a swift complaint against me as the physician to the state medical Board where my license will now have to be defended against this complaint, which is blatant because it’s in writing, signed, sent, legally noticed to the hospital and notarized. We also take it a step further and we get it notarized before you, you deliver it because the hospital will not indemnify this, that doctor to the medical board. They won’t do it because that doctor’s the one who’s responsible. He’s the one. Who holds the license? Not the CEO, not the CNO, not the CFO, not anybody else, just that doctor. It literally is just between you and the doctor. There’s been a lot of confusion, I suspect purposely at this point. Yeah, she, the conversation hidden it is about the doctor and the patient and that’s it. None of these a atrocities that have happened in the hospital where patient, patient said, please feed me. Please stop giving me Remdesevir would have occurred had the patient known that they had this right and how to assert it effectively to that doctor if he knew what the stakes were. Maybe he’d say, maybe I’ll get fired from this hospital, but I’ll keep my medical license if that’s what motivates him. Not a moral compass. Imagine if there’s a ground swell of patients that walk into the hospital with this one document, might that change things? This is why I am desperately trying to let people know, and I thank you so much, James, for Yeah. Helping me share this with the American people. Sure. Fellow Americans, we, the people need to know that they had this power. You could have pushed back all along, you could have put it in writing and served it legally, and that doctor would then be highly motivated if he’s a bad doctor or a good doctor, say, you don’t even want this form. Say you wanna do some your own or you wanna customize it, great. Do whatever you wanna do. We just wanna let you know your rights that you can, you need to put it in writing because through the process of advocating for people, I’ve heard doctors used the excuse to patients that I didn’t understand that’s not how I understood it, or I didn’t hear you. They could say a lot of things that are ridiculous because they controlled the medical record. Yeah. So you need to get your wishes into the medical record.
James Egidio:
Yeah. Let me ask you though, because it just seems to me that, again, getting back to COVID, right? Yeah. So it broke in 2020 in February, and it just seemed like it gained some traction over the course of a few weeks. That’s when I, of course, as I had mentioned to you earlier, before we came on, that I, did a lot of research and ran across your brother’s treatment, his silver bullet treatment, which was amazing, but. It just seemed as it gained more traction over the, let’s say February, March, April, May, June, July and into the fall of 2020 and as a gained traction, it’s like the whole world, I’m talking about the people around the world everybody became a patient, right? Because by the time we got to June, April, May, June, they started mandating mask and that was a big hoax cuz I even purchased Judy Mikovitz book, A Case Against Mask. And they had banned the books, her book, I think it was in April or May, I bought the book in February or March. And they had already, Amazon already banned it. Yeah. And then Fauci was talking about wear a Mask, don’t Wear a mask. He was going back and forth, capitulating back and forth about wearing mask. Yeah. So it just seemed like everybody became a patient. Everybody says, you know what? I’m just, I’m at the mercy of the medical system and doctors and nurses, and it wasn’t until probably the last, I’d say even year where people start, are starting to wake up about the pandemic and about the scam that’s been pulled over everybody’s eyes,
Laura Bartlett:
the scam. I’ve got a James, regardless of why they started. What was the motivation? It really comes down to a singular issue to keep 1.1 million people potentially alive. Did 1.1 million people have to die? Had they known how to get no to the hospital and get out? I guess that’s the point I’m, go ahead. I just want, I’m so desperate, James, to get these documents and people know it cuz this isn’t over. You’re gonna go to a hospital, potentially for a car wreck or for an emergency appendectomy be like yourself. You need to know, regardless of what it’s called, whatever the boogeyman is, right? You need to have your documents in writing and served legally for your informed consent. Get your informed consent in writing. We never have to go through this again. I’m telling you right. If people know the process to get ’em out safely, and I’ve advocated for people all across the United States for free. And effectively people have come out of the hospital alive cuz they knew how. Sometimes little more difficult. Cause they didn’t have it in writing.
James Egidio:
Yeah. Safeguard. So prior to this is all set up prior my fiance James. Yeah.
Laura Bartlett:
But James, you right now, as the host of the Medical Chief podcast, can go to our patient rights. And I encourage you to do that today. Oh I’ll download ’em, fill ’em out, get ’em notarized, sign it in front of a notary, get 10 copies made. Keep one in your car. Follow the direction. There’s more directions than that. I’m simplifying it for sake of time. Yeah. But do everything in those directions because it could be your life. It’s not about covid. I think people with with any reason they walk in, say that they have a compound fracture, go to the emergency room and they will they will still coerce you to get a covid vaccine. If you have, if you don’t want a covid vaccine, which most people are aware now that was an experiment forced on the American people and like that 93 year old, she didn’t want it. But how can you say no? How can you get them to respect your No. This is how you get them to respect your No,
James Egidio:
I see. I see. Because that was gonna be one of my questions to you is what are Yeah, go ahead.
Laura Bartlett:
Doctors don’t want, listen do. If you’re a doctor and you can only practice medicine in rural America or in a big city hospital, small private clinic or whatever that looks like telemedicine, you can’t do it without a medical license. You wanna get that doctor to respect your wishes, even if he’s got ulterior motives, even if he’s got his own agenda, even if he’s in love with the vaccine. He just loves it. Loves it.
James Egidio:
Yeah. Yeah.
Laura Bartlett:
Who do you get him to? How do you get him? To respect No to a vaccine. You tell him that it’s written right here. That, and you know it cause it’s in your, the CEO. Got it. It’s signed, it’s notarized. It’s in the medical record. If I get a vaccine, you’re, it’s just like Jehovah’s Witnesses getting a blood product that they said no to, which is settled bioethics. They can’t get it. They will not give it to a Jehovah’s Witness. Faith. Okay. A person of faith with the Jehovah’s Witness belief that if you get a blood product, then that’ll doom you, for eternity. So they have to respect your wishes, whatever that is. Whatever that religious and spiritual belief is. That’s the secret sauce, James.
James Egidio:
Yeah. Yeah.
Laura Bartlett:
Worked for years and years before, at the beginning of 2020. Had people used this document at the beginning of 2020 in mass. I just couldn’t get people to talk about it. Yeah, they wanna talk about Fauci, they wanna talk about the who they wanted to talk about. Why do they do these crazy things? That’s not the issue. I don’t care if there’s, if the if Batman’s nemesis, the Ridler and the penguins walking down the hallway, it’s not about them. It’s about the doctor respecting your No. And, in any other context is, if it’s in a sexual context and you said no, you did not consent to sex. It’s called rape. Yeah. And that is that’s criminal. Yeah.
James Egidio:
But what’s the stop even with this paperwork? What’s the stop? A bad actor in the hospital. A nurse or a doctor
Laura Bartlett:
from stopping from walking into your house and shooting you. What’s that? What’s stopping somebody from walking into your house, kicking in a window and shooting you a point, Blake in the head.
James Egidio:
Nothing. Nothing.
Laura Bartlett:
Nothing. Nothing. But does it stop, does it deter it to have a lock on your door and to have it posted that there’s cameras everywhere, so you’re gonna get caught and that you’re going, it’s gonna be on record that Yeah, it’s gonna be videotaped. You’ve got a notice that says security cameras, there’s no trespassing. It will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Does that deter things historically? Yes. That’s why we have notices in stores that say shoplifters will be prosecuted. Can’t, this is camera surveilled. So what are you, what you’re doing is that, doctor, trust me. Money seems to be a big motivator to a lot of people and if you’re used to a certain lifestyle, that being a medical doctor, In all the to that, the house, the car, the vacations the country club memberships, whatever you are used to without a medical license. What are you going to do for a living? Are you gonna do something that I think is more respectable? If you’re gonna act that way, and disregard someone’s patient rights, are you going to dig ditches? I hope you get a job digging ditches and doing something productive with your time that you’re not gonna be a doctor. Yeah, you’re not gonna get to have that salary and that lifestyle. So that’s a big motivator James Doctors have to defend their license. Do you know what that means? That means they have to lawyer up and they have to take time away from making money to defend this. And by the way those those complaints are always on the record. Yeah. So when people look, you know what a Google review does to a small business, a bad one, a once more review in a different context, what does a medical board complaint for violating informed consent? To, you have to get cred credentialed from a hospital. Sure.
James Egidio:
I talked to a lot of doctors though, gosh, over the last couple years. And they their biggest fear is that if they don’t comply with, as you were talking about, the CEOs and the the money makers for the hospitals supposed money makers, that they’d get fired and
Laura Bartlett:
James gotta stop you right there. I could care. Care too. You know what? If they get fired, if it means you’re gonna kill somebody Yeah. But they police says, I’m mandated. Let’s put it in a different context. You’re a security guard. They’re telling me I have got to shoot every third person, or I’ll get fired. Do you know how, what pressure that is? I’ve got a family to feed. This is ludicrous. This is re this is almost insulting. I’ve been taking care of people. The argument, not you James, but I’m telling you Yeah. These doctors who come back with that. Shame on them.
James Egidio:
Yeah. Oh, I agree. No, I agree. But I hear that a lot. I was at a meeting last week with two doctors.
Laura Bartlett:
We’re listening from some really bad people. Okay. Yeah. They’re not, they’re the ones that are speaking out. They’re talking about their colleagues who then they need to get behind these documents if they care. Yeah. They need to get behind how to enforce informed consent if they were fired for it. Good for, I’m proud of them. They made the right decision for life. Sure. But the ones who are saying that’s an excuse that, do you know the pressure they’re under? I don’t care what your pressure. I deal with people all over the country that are begging to have their life spared in a hospital because the doctors are more concerned about keeping a job. Yeah. Than respecting that patient’s wishes. I say screw that argument because Yeah, agree. I care, agree more about human life and doing and honoring somebody’s bodily autonomy than whether or not someone can make a car payment.
James Egidio:
Amen. No, and it’s true. And that was one of my questions where, we were talking about this cuz as a safeguard
Laura Bartlett:
thought that patients documents out, James, this is what gets ’em outta the hospital safely.
James Egidio:
Oh yeah, I know. I’m gonna, I’m gonna put the links to the website and the documents on my website so when, I’m gonna definitely put links to the website for sure. What are some of the red flags that listeners and viewers need to be aware of when it comes to themselves and their family members who encounter these types of activity in the hospitals? Cuz I guess let’s set up the scenario. I go into the hospital, right? And I have this paperwork, it’s already been drawn up and I’m sitting in the emergency room and some take char charge nurse says, I gotta
Laura Bartlett:
a, let me give you a story. I already know where you’re going. Yeah, go ahead. Advocating for sure. Actually a friend, and it was in the Dallas area, and she went in for what was a drop in oxygen levels so severe that she had ambulance transport to the hospital. It was in the sixties, but it was so sudden that somebody close to me suggest he was in healthcare, said, that sounds a friend also of this person said, that sounds like a pulmonary embolism. Okay. Very serious. Sure. She she goes to the hospital. She had already gone through COVID, but she had major surgery, cancer surgery. She was setting herself up for a pulmonary embolism honestly, because she wasn’t moving. It was a surgery that restricted her movement just because of being uncomfortable and everything involved. And so she really didn’t walk around like she should have after surgery. So she goes to the hospital ambulance dumpster out, she goes into the er and immediately the nurse starts badgering her about a vaccine, whether she was vaccinated or not, right? And then tries to remove her advocate, her sister from the room and trying to separate them. She get did asked for a rapid dymer to see if she had clotting issues. And that should have been something that would’ve resulted fairly quickly. Not hours and hours. It had been hours. Since they walked back into the room to give her the results, she kept asking about them. We don’t have those. Actually, what you need is a test that will take you like five floors higher than where your advocate is and she can’t go with you. Okay. And they diagnosed her for Covid in the hospital too, right? It was tail end of COVID. She was more or less over it, like I said, the suspected pulmonary embolism, which is very serious and they probably should jump on that, but they didn’t. That’s a big, you go in for, Hey, I’ve, I think I’m having a stroke, I’m having a heart attack. You might wanna jump on that issue, not chase down this covid thing. And they tried to remove any outside input. She was on an open line with me, a conference call. And about five other people, cuz it’s, when you’re in those situations you don’t, you, you have a tendency to want to trust the healthcare provider that’s standing right in front of you. Cuz you’re so needy. You’re so needy. Of course. Yeah. So I had other people on the call that have been through this from all over the country, from as far away as North Carolina to in this patient’s in Dallas. And what did they say? They said, listen, don’t leave her side. Stay with advocates, stay within the room. Don’t leave. Ask for that result. Keep asking for that result. That’s what you need to know. You need to know the re Then the results of that test of right, having a blood clot, they wouldn’t provide it. And so while that phone call was active and you could hear me and the other people talking, the nurse walked across the room, took the phone, private property out of that patient’s hand, disconnected the call, walked across the room, set it down, and then called for security to haul out this 95 pound sister by her arms and legs. That’s a big red flag. Of course. What did she do? You wanna hear the end of the story? Sure. To a different hospital. This is something else people need to know. You are not committed. Out of duty, loyalty, whatever you wanna call it. Once you head down a path with a hospital that you’ve gotta continue that relationship. This isn’t until death to us part, unfortunately, that was for a lot of people during COVID. This isn’t a marriage relationship. If it’s not working out for you. Leave, go to a different hospital across town or across the street. Check into that hospital. If you leave AMA against medical advice and then you decide that was maybe a little premature, or, I have more questions, or, oh, a new issue, aro arose while you’re at home. Go back to a hospital, maybe not that one that you left AMA, but go to a different one. It’s not a binding contract. Yeah. That you can never, that foot into a different hospital if you started down the path in one hospital. So does that clear up some of the red flags?
James Egidio:
It does, but again, it just seems when people are so sick and everybody’s got a different story, it’s like we heard that story about a lot of people losing family members in the hospital and they says died from COVID. And I’m like yeah, I don’t wanna be how insensitive, but how do you know? It doesn’t. Oh, but he died. That’s what the doctor said. That’s what the doctor said. That’s what the nurse said.
Laura Bartlett:
Her been a lot of conversation about that. But that’s, it’s been talked to death. You know what hasn’t been talked to? Is, get your consent in writing before you can walk into a hospital. You don’t know if you’re gonna pull outta your driveway and someone’s gonna t-bone you at the intersection. A block from your house. Yeah. You don’t know. And you will need a hospital. So this let me tell you something that is ridiculous. Just don’t go to hospitals. That is ridiculous. Because if I need a emergency appendectomy, I’m not gonna do it with a flashlight and a mirror and a YouTube video. Probably go to a hospital and Exactly. Run a few of these. I’m gonna go, I’m gonna get what I need. I’m gonna let them know I’m not gonna, I don’t need or don’t want. They’re, I’m gonna very clear about that because I have my document at OurPatientRights.com. Yeah. In hand notarized delivered, put into the electronic medical record. No funny business, the doctor’s highly motivated because he doesn’t wanna a, a board complaint that he’s gotta defend time, money, and reputationally. Yeah. He might let this one go. You’ve heard, Yeah. That people are trying to kidnap somebody. The worst thing you can do is just go along to get along and get in the car. If they say, come with me and try to throw you in the trunk the most the best probability is surviving something like that statistically is to assert yourself and kick and fight and scream. Yeah. Don’t go along to get along. The going along to get along is just to, we’ll see what happens. We went to the emergency room and I’ll say I’ll say, please don’t give me that, or, I don’t want that. Or Can I have this? What? No. Have it in writing before you can walk in the door.
James Egidio:
Yeah. There’s no reaching across the aisle and playing patty cake with these people.
Laura Bartlett:
I’m telling you, this is the thing. Every American, and we’ve been contacted from people as far away as Canada. This is a real thing.
James Egidio:
Yeah. And it’s so sad that we got to this point in the American healthcare system because again, it’s the truth about the American healthcare system and it’s really sad. You, you would, you think you’d have to do this in a third world country, but I think third world countries are a lot safer.
Laura Bartlett:
I know. But I’m telling you, so much conversation has been why and how and whatever. So little has been said. What can you do? What is the solution? A lot about the problem. James, can you believe there’s actually a solution? I am so excited about the good news. Yeah. There is something you can do. You don’t even have to go down that dark, scary path, that rabbit hole of how do we get here? And this is so insane. And look at all the tragedy and Macab and mayhem, you didn’t even need to do that. If you had your consent in writing.
James Egidio:
I gotta tell you, Laura, you just convinced me that no matter what happens to me, since my wife is from Italy and I need an appendectomy, I’m just gonna take it the first plane out and go to Italy and get that appendectomy taken care of.,
Laura Bartlett:
go to the hospital across the street. Cause I’m telling you it works. James. Yeah, James. No, I know. You’re talking to somebody who’s advocated for people for I know. Two plus years.
James Egidio:
I’m calling you.
Laura Bartlett:
No, don’t need to call me. Let’s skip the documents. Listen, people wanna there’s a lot of talk about we just, everybody needs an advocate. No, the, you’re just like, you didn’t need an advocate for your first amendment rights. Do you call an advocate and pay them $2,000? So that you can say something on Facebook. No, you knew, you’re right. You knew your first amendment right to free speech. And you as, and then you asserted it. And when maybe something got blocked or somebody got mad at you, you knew you were in the right, you knew
James Egidio:
Oh yeah.
Laura Bartlett:
Unalienable, right?
James Egidio:
Yeah. And so absolutely.
Laura Bartlett:
You didn’t need to pay somebody. You didn’t need a lawyer. Didn’t need a doctor. You don’t need Laura Bartlett. You don’t I hope to be obsolete. If people just know that you had these rights all along to assert them, and honestly, it’s not their fault to a large degree because they didn’t have an insider, a hospital insider at the top levels of the structure to know, how do you exploit a weakness within that system for your survival? How do you exploit the relationship between the doctor who does not, who isn’t an employee of the hospital, hospitals saying, we. We, even if he is, even if he is an employee, how he’s an independent licensed,
James Egidio:
and that’s all doctors.
Laura Bartlett:
It’s a very fragile relationship. This insider knew this said,
James Egidio:
oh, okay.
Laura Bartlett:
Relationship between the doctor and the hospital is so tenuous. It’s so fragile that all you gotta do is get that doctor to have something that he could push back against the hospital structure and say, I’m not doing it. I’ll leave. I’ll work somewhere else. I’m not doing this. This costs me too much. And they’ll go okay. Yeah, it’s not worth it. Do you see, now imagine 1.1 million people who died having this form. Yeah, we wouldn’t, talking about Fauci and the who and why and gosh, these CEOs are just despicable people. We wouldn’t have this conversation. We wouldn’t need to, because you know why. It’s like in a car. You don’t have to talk about statistics with car wrecks and what, and stop lights. You just, you put your belt on the brakes work. So bump the brakes when you come to an intersection, right? Yeah.
James Egidio:
I mean we, we share a story with Scott Schera, the same thing. If you look back and it’s the same situation.
Laura Bartlett:
And he said, speaking of Scott, he said, I wish I knew this.
James Egidio:
Yeah, I saw that.
Laura Bartlett:
Yeah. It’s, how might he have changed things for him? He didn’t know.
James Egidio:
And even had an advocate. His daughter was sitting there. His older, he
Laura Bartlett:
had somebody had eyes on her.
James Egidio:
Yeah.
Laura Bartlett:
Put eyes on you. But did you know how to get that doctor to respect No DNR in writing? I’m not blaming anybody that doesn’t deserve blame. I’m just informing that had Scott and all the Scotts that had gone through the same thing, he isn’t the only one. And everybody who’s gone through something where their rights were trampled on and you said no, and your no wasn’t respected. Had they had it in writing, had might that have turned out differently? Might they be alive right now and we don’t even need to do this podcast. The only reason you do what I do for free, I’ve put my life on hold for the last couple years. Sure. I don’t sell Products, I don’t get a 10% referral fee. You didn’t get an affiliate link, did you? Did you get an affiliate link for an advocate?
James Egidio:
No, I did not. No, you’re gonna gimme one though, right?
Laura Bartlett:
No. No, you’re not. Yeah, you’re gonna get a hundred percent of zero. You’re gonna get hundred percent. That’s all fair.
James Egidio:
I have to give you, I just wanna get your brother on the podcast about his silver bullet treatment. I’m still amazed with that. It’s just calling him. The thing is, this is separate from my brother, but No, I know. I know. But you guys are both doing amazing work.
Laura Bartlett:
Thank you. But the, we both care about life, but
James Egidio:
Sure. You do.
Laura Bartlett:
the point of this is, we don’t, we’ve put doctors on pedestals. We have vaunted them. We put them in lofty places.
James Egidio:
Sure.
Laura Bartlett:
You’re, they’re the absolutely celebrity doctors. They’re on stages. They’re on podcasts and stages and doing Sure speaking events. Why? None of them have come up with a solution to keep that person in the hospital safe. No, I know. Take, and it doesn’t take a doctor to come up with this, by the way. I know. It just, no, Joe and Jane American, that’s the way the Constitution was written. Sure. To yeah. Assert their rights. And if we keep looking for the celebrity doctor titles and tiaras as a, as someone I respect to Morris with Tori says, do you know who that is?
James Egidio:
No, I don’t.
Laura Bartlett:
Oh, brilliant woman. And she is for the longest time really spoken out on, we need to drop these titles and tiaras these lofty you know vaunted physicians of power to look for the fauci and the senators and the, elected officials. We gotta change the elected. No, it starts with you and me, James. Absolutely. It’s, we the people. Yes. It’s, we the people. Laura Bartlett, who isn’t a doctor, isn’t a nurse who is a college dropout. I’m a college dropout. And this is what we can do. Yeah. If you just get involved and find a good solution, not just talk in circles about the problem. I’m done with that. I am so done talking about the problem. Let’s talk about the solution
James Egidio:
solutions. All right. I agree. I totally agree with that. I know I don’t, that’s the other thing. I, when I got myself involved with this project, and I waited until I got out of the medical industry back in 2020, a couple years later now I said to myself, I don’t want to get on too much on the COVID stuff and all that. Let’s come up with the solutions instead of continuing to talk about the problems and the vaccines and all this other stuff.
Laura Bartlett:
People died in hospitals. They didn’t drop dead.
James Egidio:
A lot of people
Laura Bartlett:
room, they didn’t drop dead on the golf course with Covid. It was in a hospital. And I’ve heard Jack squat from the experts about how you get that person safely outta there. They’d say just don’t do this or don’t do that. Tell them you don’t want Remdesivir as if that made a difference. It didn’t.
James Egidio:
No, it didn’t. I know you’re, yeah
Laura Bartlett:
So I, so what was the solution? Putting it in writing. I can’t say this enough and I know I’ve gone over my time, Put it in writing. Put it in writing people. Go to OurPatientRights.com. Get the documents right now. Fill ’em out. You don’t want a vaccine. You don’t want a covid vaccine. Where if you’ve seen the documentary died suddenly you know maybe some more about the vaccine. If you don’t already, then get that form. Follow the instructions, fill it out. Even if you do want a vaccine, you get the choice to say, I want it. Put that in writing. If you want Remdesevir say, I want Remdesevir, I want it. Put it in writing. Hey, look, I’m being facetious, but I’m being honest. I respect people that much. They’re bodily autonomy. They’re free. Will their right to inform consent. That if that’s what you want, then you tell them, I want that, and make sure that you sign it in front of a notary. And got follow the instructions, put the on, put ’em on notice and give that doctor some real consequence. The doctor, not Fauci, not the WHO, not right. Tedros. Not any of these boogeymen. There was never a Remdesevir fairy. It was always that doctor in your room, in the hospital room.
James Egidio:
Yeah. Yeah. I ran across a gentleman, in the gym, he suspected that he had covid. He went to the local hospital. He was in the hospital. And of course the first thing they did was give him the Remdesevir, then the nurse, and then he went downhill from there. They had Airvac to Orlando from here, from where I live in Palm Coast. And he went into liver and kidney. There’s so many like this. There are some Yeah, he went, yeah, he went into liver and kidney failure and he was unfortunately blessed to be able to be put on a donor list for a kidney and a liver, and they gave it to him. But, and that time he was in the hospital here before they gave him the Remdesivir, the nurse whispered in his ear, die mother effer. That’s what she said to him. Yeah. They were basically out to kill him. What’s the thing?
Laura Bartlett:
Yeah, the nurse. Let me be clear to your listeners, it’s not the nurse that, that could change anything for that that gentleman you just mentioned for anybody during COVID, after COVID, before COVID, it’s the doctor. There’s a lot of nurses that do the right thing or wanna do the right thing. Yeah. They just follow doctor’s orders. So even if a nurse scowls at you tells you, I hope you go to hell. I hope it happens quickly. These are irrelevant. Okay. That’s, those are your feelings. It’s the doctor and the doctor’s motivation to respect your informed consent, because you had that document that says out from OurPatientRights.com that told him the very real promise that if he violates your wishes that are in writing, because it’s your deeply held religious and spiritual beliefs, which are settled bioethics, just like the Jehovah’s Witness not receiving blood products. They’ve always respected that. If you had that document, they have to respect yours too, it is a violation of the AMA 2.1.1 chapter two in ethics on informed consent. It is slam dunk, case closed no more. We don’t have to talk about all these scary stories. If you must get your, and I’ve got plenty of them. Sure. I’ve taken up so much time, but my closing No, you’re fine. My closing thought. Is informed Consent is not only your right, it’s something that the doctor, it’s not just you’re right. I think I’ll try it. The doctor has a duty to respect it, honor it, and if he doesn’t with the documents that we have provided at our patient rights, there are consequences. Yeah. There are consequences.
James Egidio:
Also, let the viewers and listeners know, I believe if I, you might wanna correct me on what I’m about to mention is that they don’t need an attorney for this stuff Laura? No. Okay.
Laura Bartlett:
No. You could write a hand, write what’s on our, website. We, we just, have it provided as a convenience. You could write it just as easy as you could. Whatever. You could say James. Yeah. Let me put context. James, go ahead. If you’re in a room. You’re a patient in your hospital room and you told him the doctor, oh, just to be really clear, today is Thursday and I’m telling you, and it’s witnessed by this person that I don’t want Remdesevir, I don’t want a COVID vaccine. Do you understand that? Yeah. This, as easily as you could say it, did you need an attorney standing next to you? No. No. You don’t need an attorney to write down your wishes that you would’ve verbalized.
James Egidio:
Okay. So yeah, that, that’s the, I think the key thing too is that people have to know that are listening to this, that they do not need an attorney to do this paperwork. They just do have to get it notarized, but they don’t need an attorney. Correct. Laura, we just
Laura Bartlett:
be very clear. You don’t let me be careful people understand what I’m saying. You don’t, I’ll be very clear. You don’t need an attorney to give your informed consent in writing.
James Egidio:
Okay?
Laura Bartlett:
End of discussion.
James Egidio:
And make sure you make copies of it, whether you send it or have a, a courier all instructions delivered.
Laura Bartlett:
All the instructions. James, I can’t overemphasize this. Go to OurPatientRights.com. Oh yeah. They’re all very carefully delineated, very easy. A child probably could follow it. It’s very simple, easy, and extremely effective.
James Egidio:
Beautiful. This is probably one of the best interviews I’ve had and the most useful for the listener, I’m sure. And I’m gonna definitely put the links on the website and I want you to keep me up to date on what’s going on, get you back on the show, and we’ll keep track of your progress. Thank you so much for being on this.
Laura Bartlett:
Thank you for having me. I really appreciate it.
James Egidio:
Absolutely. Thanks a lot Laura. Appreciate it. Thanks.