An Immunologist Perspective on Vaccines Part II – Interview with Dr. J.J. Couey, PhD

intro: 0:00

Get ready to hear the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth about the United States healthcare system with your host of the medical truth podcast, James Egidio.

James: 0:17

Hi, I’m James Egidio. Your host of the medical truth podcast, the podcast that tells the truth. The whole truth and nothing but the truth about the American healthcare system. In 2020, the entire world was blindsided by the plandemic. The media or fake news, along with the so-called experts at the world health organization and centers for disease control, run a relentless pursuit, utilizing fear porn. To put out false and inaccurate information about COVID, mask mandates, PCR test, social distancing, contact tracing. And now the bio weapon that they call a vaccine. Since 2020 and the present educated professionals in the field of real science and medicine. Have been censored. My guest is one of those scientists biologist who was not only fired from his job at a major university, but also censored. He has recently been appointed to work with the children’s health defense. And is getting ready to publish a book in November of 2023, that he co-wrote with presidential candidate, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. part one of this two part series. We discussed the COVID virus, in this second part of this two part series, we’re going to discuss in depth about the bio weapon or what they call the vaccine. It is an honor and a pleasure to have on the medical truth podcast. My guest. Dr. JJ. Couey. Dr. Cooey, welcome to the Medical Truth Podcast. How are you doing today?

Dr. J.J. Couey: 2:00

I’m very fine to meet you. Thank you very much for having me. I’m I, like I said in the beginning, I could be worse. Nice day today, so I’m happy. Good. Good.

James: 2:08

So share with the viewers and listeners of the medical truth podcast as to who you are and

Dr. J.J. Couey: 2:14

what you do. Okay. My name is Jonathan Cooley. I’ve been an academic or used to be an academic biologist for about 22 years. I was a wannabe. Doctor for a long time when I was a teenager and a young adult I detoured into high school teaching while I was trying to get into med school. And then I actually stumbled into research biology as a side job thinking that eventually I was going to go to med school. But I discovered very quickly that I really enjoyed academic biological research. And so I did it for a couple of years. Using a microscope and doing all kinds of things that I thought were really fun. And that led me to being invited to Do my PhD in the Netherlands with somebody who I met at the university of Chicago during this little research assistant job. And so I did my PhD in the Netherlands. This was after a long time living in Chicago as an adult, not knowing what I wanted to do. So I moved to the Netherlands when I was 31 years old to do my PhD. And. It was there during my PhD in neurobiology studying mouse brains that I met my wife we moved to Norway where I received more training and again, neurobiology and mouse brains and rat brains. And we lived in Norway for four years where we had two sons. We went back to the Netherlands to try to get tenure again, just following my career. That didn’t work out because the Netherlands is a pretty small country and I’m not Dutch and I didn’t get an ERC grant. That’s the way it works. And so I still had this ace in the hole where I was an American. So I brought my whole family back to Pittsburgh in 2016, just in time for Trump to get elected. And we spent about 3 years work. I spent 3 years working at the University of Pittsburgh before the pandemic hit. And at that time, I was just rediscovering my love for teaching. And I had reinvigorated this love of teaching by starting a YouTube channel where I was doing journal club on my bicycle. I had about a 9 mile commute to the University of Pittsburgh on an electric assisted bicycle. And so I started teaching, teaching, I started doing journal club on my bike. And when the pandemic started. I remembered that my postdoc in the Netherlands had been at the Erasmus University Medical Center in Rotterdam, where they had enriched avian flu in 2012 while I was actually still there. And so I had heard some of these seminars and I heard people joke about what they’re doing on the 17th floor, but it never really dawned on me that it didn’t really matter. I was a neurobiologist and I stuck to my thing and I was worried about my career, but then when this happened, it dawned on me that I had heard this story before and. I found a couple reasonably good reviews of coronavirus biology and I read them and then I read the papers that they cited and then I just decided to do a bike ride where I speculated about what might happen if a coronavirus were to get out of a laboratory. And I did 3 bike rides on my YouTube channel where I described. The history of coronavirus research, what we knew and what we didn’t, I made lots of mistakes in the first couple of videos, but the third video was pretty good and that got the attention of my faculty. And they actually told me that I shouldn’t be speaking to any newspapers and that virology wasn’t my expertise. Okay. That was how they ended the email. Okay. With a question mark. And I don’t know. I just kept questioning things. And in October of 2020, I remember clearly seeing some video of Bill Gates over a lighted table. Explaining with little models, how the newest vaccine was going to work. And I remember getting very angry and saying, that’s not a vaccine. That’s just transfection. That’s what I do to my mice. So I think if you really put me in 2019, or at the beginning of 2020, what you would find is a biologist to. Would give his kids all of his vaccines. You would find a biologist who respected the medical field and thought that being a doctor was the highest calling and had more respect for doctors than anybody else, I didn’t have any inkling of the kind of corruption and. And mythology that modern medicine in America was based on. And when we moved here, I told you, we had two children. We had our daughter here actually. And on the day of her birth, when she got the first two shots of vitamin K and the hepatitis B shot, I was just shocked. And the only reason why I was shocked is because we had our first two kids in Norway. Where the childhood vaccination schedule is completely different. And more importantly, they’re not really interested in doing it quick. And in fact, if you give the doctors a plan of how you’re going to breastfeed your kid until X age, then any and all vaccinations can be delayed. And so the way that they went about telling you how to care for your baby, the way they went about teaching you to care for your baby was one of. Of sacredness and of purity and, your baby is already perfect. And and then to have a child in the, in America and immediately see this huge contrast where. Two shots as soon as they came out and no talk of whether we do it or when we do it or whatever. I was, my wife and I were in tears and we still didn’t fully get it. It wasn’t until 2022 that I started to really understand the depth and the breadth of the. Of the deception that was going on, so I think the 1st thing to keep in mind is that as a research faculty at a medical school, I was not confident of anything. I didn’t know. Or think that I knew what I was talking about at the beginning of the pandemic.

James: 8:39

So that takes us up to 2022 and what I want to do is I want to get into the vaccine a little bit. I want to talk to you about that and get into the technology. And the where we’re with the future looks like as far as this vaccine program and what’s going to happen and what you think is going to

Dr. J.J. Couey: 9:04

happen. Sure maybe I can do a little explanation 1st of my understanding of the technology and why I yeah. So the basic gist that everybody should have in, in born in mind is this technology is not new medical science and biological science from the academic perspective. When I say academic science, stuff that’s done on a bench at a university under grant money. Yeah. All of this research is generally done with animals. So everybody knows that we use mice. We use rats. We use monkeys. We use guinea pigs, whatever. And in all of these lower mammals. There are a wide variety of ways to genetically alter them temporarily or permanently in order to probe the way that physiological systems work. In the past 25 years, one of the most powerful techniques that has been used to probe mammalian physiology is the knockout mouse. And in a knockout mouse, what you do is you take a gene in the genome and you delete it. And then you grow mice without that gene. And although it’s not a perfect physiological model, although the physiology compensates for the missing of that gene, oftentimes, especially with genes that play crucial roles in physiological processes, you can prove their role in that physiological process by removing the gene and show that process is disrupted. And this is occasionally useful because as you’re probably aware. There are many genetic diseases, which essentially are deletions or their enzymes that don’t work anymore. And so that’s essentially a deletion of a gene. And so then you get this disease manifesting. Now, in order to create animal models of disease, that’s often what we’ve done. If we associate a gene. with schizophrenia, then we make a mouse model with the knockout gene and call that a schizophrenia mouse model where you’ve knocked out the gene that has a propensity for schizophrenia and you look at the mouse’s behavior to see if there’s any differences and see if that tells you anything about how schizophrenia works. Now, your viewers might think that’s a dumb experiment because if the gene causes schizophrenia and you delete it, then you haven’t created anything. But it was to illustrate the sort of blunt force manipulation that genetic knockouts are. You can’t learn that much because if the mouse lives, then the physiology compensates. And so the physiology of that knockout mouse is different than what it would have been if it had that gene. So here’s where transfection and transformation come in, because to make that probing experiment better, what you want to do is be able to turn the gene off or to turn it on after the animal has fully developed and is a normal mouse. And that’s what transfection and transformation have allowed academic biologists to do for the last 20 years. Transfection is the use of mRNA. In a tissue in an animal to express a protein. It can also be to knock down the expression of a protein. If you use the right mRNA, which interferes with the native mRNA, that’s expressing the protein of interest. The trick of this is so cool is that wherever you inject the RNA, that’s where the change occurs. So you can knock out the gene functions in certain neurons, in certain parts of the brain, in the liver, somewhere else. And so transfection. The use of MRNA to interfere with protein expression or to upregulate it or to induce novel protein expression in order to perturb a system to do an experiment to see how a mouse works has been done for about 20 years. They use gold particles, electricity, and liposomes. Which are essentially lipid nanoparticles with a less complicated name to put MRNA into small blebs and put them into places, tissues, animals, experiments, where we wanted to change the transient expression of a protein. So you can go on websites all around the world and find biotech companies that are selling transfection and transformation agents. Now, transformation is the same process, but you use DNA to do it. Very typically in. In bench biology, the vector for that is an adenovirus. So that should ring a bell because they used adenovirus for AstraZeneca and for Johnson and Johnson. So they used very typical transformation and very typical transfection, a known methodology in academic science for 20 years and started calling it. Trans a vaccine. Yeah. Every single biologist in the world. It’s worth their salt should have said, Whoa, we can’t do that. That’s not vaccination. That’s transformation. That’s transfection. They should have just said that. And

James: 14:40

so share with the viewers and listeners, the difference between the traditional vaccines that you may have gotten, 30, 40 years ago, or even 15 or 20 years ago, and this, what I call. They use it, they call it emergency use authorization. I call it experimental use authorization, gene bioweapon. What’s the difference?

Dr. J.J. Couey: 15:02

It was really not. Bioweapon just has this. Has this, military context to it, but you can also just think of it as like a totalitarian governance. You have no choice. We’re going to lie to you in order to achieve this goal. And we’re going to be so spectacularly committed to the lie that even when it doesn’t work out like we planned, we’re just going to keep lying about it. The tricky thing with previous, the previous vaccine schedule is that, this was a, Unscrutinized legal safe haven that all of the pharmaceutical companies, the FDA, the CDC was well aware of. And an entire sort of alternative legal system exists in order to shift the risk of vaccine adverse events from the manufacturers to the taxpayer. And interestingly, that system as bad as it was for the citizenry was still. Capable of preventing something like this happening, and it’s actually the prep act and a declaration of emergency that allowed emergency use authorization to be granted to everything that we did. And that’s something that maybe people aren’t aware of, but even the PCR test. Is not something that was really clinically evaluated. It was. Was given an emergency use authorized blanket approval and that’s not really approval, but it’s a permissions. And then all of the variants of the PCR test were covered under those EUs or EUAs. So at some point, I think we had 220 different products that purported to be PCR based. Coronavirus tests in America, and none of those tests exist anymore. They’re all gone. All those little companies, all those little testing companies, they all disappeared. Even the

James: 17:06

inventor of the PCR tests mentioned that it’s not foolproof. It’s not. Accurate

Dr. J.J. Couey: 17:16

at all. Yeah, and that’s really where the virology stuff comes back full circle. We can go there. If you went into the literature before 2020, what you would find. Is a consensus lamentation. So they were all consensus agreed that it’s sad that we can’t really find Corona viruses that easy. And in fact, we should put some money into trying to come up with a pan Corona virus test, one that can just find a Corona virus so that we can find them easier. And we’re talking. After SARS 1, this was like a major focus, and what became clear in the literature is that the best they could do is look for signals that are shared across all coronaviruses, and so the original pan coronavirus tests aimed at the N protein and the RNA dependent polymerase, these are two genes of coronaviruses that are crossed Hundreds of coronaviruses, they vary very little. And for non biologists out there, the way to think about this is on an automobile. Some things are very different across automobiles because they’re not crucial to the way the automobile functions. One example might be the interior. Some automobiles have very cheap vinyl interior and very uncomfortable seats with no headrest and a very crappy stereo. Other cars have. Leather interior with cedar inlay and whatever, all their amenities you can imagine. But if you were to compare the wheels of those two cars, the rubber content would be very similar. The size of the wheels would be very similar. Their durability would be very similar. Their properties, their mechanical requirements are very similar because they serve a vital purpose for the car. If you open the hood, you would find that they both have internal combustion engines, most likely. Because again, that’s a conserved aspect of automobiles and in coronavirus is the most conserved aspects of their genome. Are the genomes that are the parts of the genome that are most important to their high functioning. The RNA dependent RNA polymerase is how it copies itself. That gene is really similar across all of them. And the end protein is the protein around which the genome is wrapped. Another protein that’s very conserved across coronaviruses. Interestingly, most or all of the first year of coronavirus PCR tests were aimed at those two genes. And if you looked at previous coronavirus literature, the only conclusion to come to is that there’s no way for those two genes to be specific enough to identify a novel coronavirus, because they’re the perfect genes to find all of them. So they really did a bait

James: 20:19

and switch. They did. And you hear a lot of sentiment about the vaccines containing and I interviewed Dr. Maria Mahalcha hydrogels. Because you did mention the nanoparticle liposome, but also hydrogels. And there’s supposedly electromagnetic metals that are in there and that’s supposed to be tied to 5g. How true is that?

Dr. J.J. Couey: 20:44

I got to be honest with you, James. I think it was also part of the scam. There was too much foreknowledge of the potential for these kinds of contaminants from the very beginning. I would go so far as to say that the first time I heard someone say that coronavirus was going to be activated by 5G was in February of 2020. And that’s just absurd. There’s no way that kind of narrative would already be out there. And people would be angry about fighting the 5g conspiracy theory. The only way that’s out there is if that was for real and there are patents, there are technologies that use. Graphene as a 5g antenna. There are people who aren’t lying about having magnetic spots on their body. I have no idea what these people are on or what they’ve done, but they can’t all be liars. And my best guess is my friend that. They knew that the more of these appearing to be anecdotal stories that seemed crazy that were out there, the more likely the real stories of misery caused by the vaccine could be dismissed. And so if you’re also hearing stories about 5G and graphene oxide and hydras and. And whatever else being in the shot, then when somebody says people are having clotting reactions to the second shot. It’s yeah, it’s the same. It’s all the same. They took J and J off the market because that one was having problems. They were honest. And so the whole, I really feel very convinced that the entire script, even the parts that seemed like we’re off script, we’re actually on script every leak. Is on script every argument about things in front of the Senate on camera was on script. Every whistleblower basically is on script except for the people who are willing to question the virus. And there aren’t very many of them.

James: 22:54

Yeah,

Dr. J.J. Couey: 22:57

it’s really a problem because I think there are lots of really good people that were co opted at the beginning because this was such a. It was such a clandestine operation. I don’t know if you’re aware of this, for example, I have a couple really close friends that I’ve made through the pandemic. And I also had you would never know this. I also had an ex girlfriend who worked in Hollywood and she’s dead now. I believe the reason why she’s dead is because she was forced to take the vaccine to get on set. For her work and then she got advanced brain cancer and died within a year. I know this might be true because another friend of mine who also is circulating in Hollywood told me stories in 2021 that Christmas parties in 2020. We’re visited by private doctors claiming to have the vaccine and they vaccinated people at Hollywood parties and on sets of movies during December of 2020 and January of 21, before they were even given it to old people. Yeah. They also did this on TV sets. So there are probably newscasters that got the first dose of the vaccine before it was even released. And so those people are in a really interesting position because there would have to admit that they circumvented the system and cut in line because they were considered national priority people that couldn’t get sick because they were on the news or they were on, they were in Hollywood. So we didn’t want them to speak out. So we got them first.

James: 24:41

Dr. I lost 8 personally know 8 people that died from the vaccination, right? 8, 30 years old 8. Eight. My wife’s. Yeah, my wife’s. When she was an exchange student her guardian parents at the time, when she was going to school in the United States their grandson died, dropped dead. I have a friend, she died of, she had gotten turbo cancer. She had gotten liver cancer within a couple of months. She was healthy. All these people were healthy. A couple of other friends died suddenly. From cardiac arrest. All most of them died from cardiac arrest. If you ask me, how many people do I know died from COVID? Zero, none, right? They didn’t let people in the hospitals to see relatives because they saw that hospitals are, it’s off limits for anybody to visit a hospital.

Dr. J.J. Couey: 25:37

Did it occur to you, though, that I want to talk to more doctors about this because I really have the feeling that when I was a kid that I knew men who had multiple heart attacks, and now I’m hearing stories about people that have heart attacks that can’t be revived. And I didn’t know that happened very often. I understand that might happen when you’re 90, but I knew lots of people growing up, men that had heart attacks when they were 50 and they didn’t die from it. Why are our heart attacks becoming more deadly? And that would be a signal.

James: 26:12

Yeah, that I have a friend. He’s a pediatric cardiologist. I interviewed him about 3 weeks ago. We were talking about the auto immune response with the vaccination amongst pediatric patients and we talked, we discussed Kawasaki disease versus multiple systemic inflammatory disease in pediatric patients. And we’re gonna actually do a followup interview as well. On myocarditis under the

Dr. J.J. Couey: 26:37

assumption that those were the same, but my

James: 26:39

my what myocarditis,

Dr. J.J. Couey: 26:41

no, I thought you said Kawasaki syndrome and then MSC. Yeah. MSC. Oh, they’re the same thing though. Okay. They’re

James: 26:47

relatively the same. They’re a little bit different. They present differently, but, my question to you is with this MRNA technology, because it produces the protein, it mimics the protein and is it, and this is a question to you, is it, does it mimic the spike protein? Does it produce the actual spikes, the messenger RNA? Because it goes from translation to transcription to produce these proteins, right? Does it produce the spike protein? Is that my, that’s my question to you.

Dr. J.J. Couey: 27:19

Yeah, so I think it’s transcription and then translation, but it doesn’t matter. Did I say transcription

James: 27:26

to translation? Yeah, I

Dr. J.J. Couey: 27:29

get them mixed up all the time, too. I’m not trying to correct you. That was just me trying to get into the groove. It’s, so there’s a couple of things to keep in mind. First and foremost is the cartoon version of the injection. And the cartoon version is what they talk about on TV. The cartoon version is what they sold you. The cartoon version is the stupid, simple version. Which is that the lipid nanoparticle is completely inert because you have lipids in your body, right? The MRNA is completely inert because you have MRNA in your body. And the MRNA doesn’t last very long because MRNA doesn’t last very long. So it just makes some protein in your body, clears the protein and it’s fine. Now there’s infinitely many things wrong with that. The first is that when they released the data about the. MRNA product and they ran a gel to look at the RNA. They didn’t get a single band, but they got a smear. And to explain that to your listeners, a gel is a kind of gradient of thickness or density. And if you put proteins in the top of it, and then you use electricity to draw the proteins down through the gel, the lighter, smaller proteins will move faster. And the heavier proteins will move slower. And so after about an hour very heavy proteins will have moved a little bit and the lighter proteins will move farther and you will have separated all of the proteins in your sample by weight. So the more pure that your RNA would be the more crystal clear the bands would be. For example, if you had a heavy RNA and a light RNA, and they were both pure in equal quantities, then after running the gel, you would see 1 line right here. And one line right here corresponding to a light and a heavy chain of RNA, and they would be at predictable heights based on how long you ran them on the gel, because the gel will tell you then how heavy the RNA is based on the distance between. Now, in the mRNA for this shot, what they should have seen is a band at 1, 400 bases of weight. Because the molecular weight would be about 1400 bases of RNA, a rough number, but instead they saw a continuous smear, meaning that there were protein fragments of all weights and sizes from the size of the spike protein down to very tiny, which means that if they injected that RNA into you, only a small portion of it would code for the whole spike and the rest of this smear would code for a wide variety of partial size molecules. Viral proteins, which in no way, shape or form would guarantee a robust immune response, meaningful to the pathogen from which that originated.

James: 30:34

Yeah. But my other question too, is it seems like, okay, and this is again, a question to you that they, in case the messenger RNA. Correct me if I’m wrong, but they encase the messenger RNA inside of a nanolipid particle. Correct? Because the messenger RNA would denature and I remember they got rid of a big batch of product that was not under their correct temperature. In transport. So is that because it denatured the messenger, r n a, that was encapsulated inside the

Dr. J.J. Couey: 31:08

nanoparticle? I actually have learned more recently that this might have been more to do with the fact that the way that they get the lipid nanoparticle down to size is actually a proprietary methodology. and as you can imagine with any fat or oil on top of water, the. The default is not millions of tiny little droplets, but the default is to form one big droplet. And in fact, I think the majority of the reason why they needed to keep it cool originally was the MRNA needs to be cold. But I actually think the secret was that the lipids, the lipid nanoparticles won’t be nanoparticles anymore if they’re not cold because they’ll start to fuse. And the toxicity of the lipid nanoparticle itself goes up. Exponentially as they become bigger, right?

James: 31:58

And then it would expose the message RNA that’s protected by the nanoparticle. Correct.

Dr. J.J. Couey: 32:03

I think so. But I don’t know so much to do with the degradation of the RNA because that’s from my perspective as a biologist. That’s been grossly exaggerated. Yes, we have RNA. RNAses are everywhere, that we have RNAses in our skin oil, all that stuff, and we have to use gloves when we use RNA in a laboratory, but I think that aspect of RNA has been exaggerated for the purpose of rolling out this shot, because I’ve done lots of experiments with PCR and used lots of shortcuts and whatever, and it still works. If your signal is robust, it’s fine. It’s really when you’re trying to do science as best as possible, because you’re trying to make a new discovery, then, of course, you’re going to wear gloves. And you’re going to make sure that no foreign gets into your sample because you don’t know what you’re doing and you’re doing science. But with regard to this injection, I think that. What has been revealed by the scaling up of the manufacturing by the just gross negligence with regard to quality control has been revealed is that actually the RNA is not that unstable. It’s probably not. It’s much more likely. That they just can’t make it. It’s much more likely that they just can’t purify it. It’s much more likely that the lipid nanoparticle by congealating causes more toxicity than the RNA ever could. It’s not to say that I’m not discounting transfection as being bad. I’m still. firmly convinced that transfection cannot you be used to augment your immune system, but I’m trying to suggest that a lot of these other narratives at the beginning of the pandemic, the narrative of keeping it cool, or we need to have minus 80 freezers in every Pharmacy, this was all designed to distract and get people to debate about things that really weren’t in play. Because if you’re debating about the storage of the vaccine, then you’re not debating about whether you should even take it. I see. I really think we’ve just been so often shown a shiny object and shown people arguing about it. And that’s definitely 1 of them because now they don’t care. Now you can store vaccine on a, in a regular refrigerator and nothing’s changed about the formulation. So that’s clearly that clearly wasn’t bullshit. Excuse my language, but

James: 34:29

that’s okay. That’s good. But so what you’re saying though, it’s still encapsulated in a nanoparticle, the messenger RNA,

Dr. J.J. Couey: 34:36

correct? I, it is as far as we can tell. Yeah, that’s

James: 34:40

what they intend. So it’s more like a time release capsule is what it sounds like. And then, because they’re saying that. And I interviewed Dr William Makus and several other physicians that had mentioned that and a lot of people will say professionals will say just because you didn’t get an acute reaction from it. Like some people did over time, it’s going to affect people. And they’re saying according to a timeline, it could be a year and a half, two years, and even three years after the shot that this can affect you. Is that

Dr. J.J. Couey: 35:17

true? It has to be I don’t think that there’s any other way to characterize it simply because. Unlike all previous vaccines that are basically combinations of inert substances. They might have put an irritating chemical in combination with a recombinant protein. They might have put a couple chemicals in with a couple recombinant proteins, but those. Substances were all inert. And so the challenge was your body to clear those substances without making any mistakes. And so you can imagine many scenarios where that toxic adjuvant can cause bad reactions. The toxic adjuvant can activate your immune system and then a secondary exposure to something else like Tylenol could cause damage to your body. But with transfection. You’re actually creating a whole nother scenario because again, remember, let me repeat that old vaccines as blunt as they are because they are very blunt. If you describe them, you are bypassing the immune system in order to augment it. They have all inert substances in them. Now, with the transfection, what you are doing is expressing a foreign protein. In tissues throughout your body. Now we were told that it stays in the muscle. It’ll go away in a few days, but we now know that’s not the case. It definitely doesn’t stay in the muscle and it can go anywhere and wherever it goes, this RNA will cause the expression of a foreign protein that is not an immune problem that your immune system is organized. And has evolved to deal with. There is no scenario in mother nature where your cells will express a foreign protein inside of your body. You can’t name one. And even in a viral infection, the cells are being made to manufacture proteins when there is. A barrier or at a barrier. So when you are infected with a virus, there are very specific set of cells, which is infected by a virus and it is not your muscle. It’s not your ovary. It’s not your endothelial cells. It’s not your liver. It’s none of these. It is 1st and foremost, a barrier of your gut. Your skin, your lungs your nasal and mucosal. So the whole idea of injection into the muscle is already from my humble opinion, quite sketchy. And we’re probably going to come to the realization in the next four or five years. I think that was a ridiculous assumption that we could augment the immune system with a simple injection into the muscle. But transfection creates a scenario not like that, because again, let me say it one more time. A combination of inert substances put into your muscle is a challenge for your immune system to clear. A transfection challenges your immune system to clear your own cells without making Autoimmunity to them. So when you get injected with a regular vaccine, your body is being challenged to clear the aluminum, right? Clear the adjuvant and to clear the recombinant protein in a transfection. The foreign proteins are expressed on cells internally, and the only alternative. For your immune system is to reject those cells as foreign and in so doing. The immune system destroys them and cleans them up. And in cleaning them up, there is always a chance that it will present a self antigen. And create self self recognizing immunity, which is autoimmunity and that happens every time you force your body to clear a transfection. Now, let me just catch my breath and say that 1 of the things that I learned as an academic biologist is that transfection is indeed transient. When we use it in mice, 1 of the things that we like to do, that makes the mice experiment so valuable is to sacrifice the mouse afterward and go back into the brain and anatomically chart what neurons we had altered, what neurons we’ve expressed protein in, what neurons we decreased protein expression in so that we can evaluate the results of our experiment. One of the limitations of transfection in this use is that you can’t make a mouse permanently changed with transfection because the immune system comes in. So in other words, If we were to, if this, my head is the mouse and we’re going to transfect the mouse in the frontal cortex, if we cut the mouse up after six weeks and we make slices of the brain and we stain for the protein that we transfected. We will find it and we can identify how much and what neurons were there and make some story about how we changed the brain function and how that was reflected in the behavior. However, if we were to wait about 12 weeks and cut the same slices, we would find those neurons gone. The immune system would have destroyed them and they would have died from the overexpression of a foreign protein. So those two combine to create an intolerable situation that the immune system gets rid of. And so we’re not worried about that because we just breed more mice. We’re not worried about that because that was part of the experimental plan. But for the four year old child with a lifelong, lifetime to live, you can’t dare the immune system to clear a few of these cells and don’t make a mistake, or you’ll be a, you’ll be a handicapped immune system for the rest of your life. You can’t roll those dice with a child. In fact, you can’t roll those dice with any healthy mammal that you want to live. A long healthy life afterward, not even an elderly person.

James: 41:47

So what you’re saying too, is that this vaccine this vaccine or whatever you want to call it at this point is it penetrates the blood brain barrier. Pretty pretty

Dr. J.J. Couey: 41:56

easy. I don’t think there’s anything stopping it. They have the only thing that’s stopping it is that there are cells in between. Okay. It is likely that the lipid nanoparticle will deposit in an endothelial cell as it’s crossing the blood vein. If it makes it across, then it’s all game on. As far as we can tell, these lipid nanoparticles can go in and out of cells. They don’t have to go in and then disappear. They’re very difficult to understand and where they show up is everywhere. So that’s the tricky part. And everywhere that they show up, the immune system is going to be challenged in a way that it’s never been challenged before, not to make a mistake and accidentally trigger autoimmunity. Every time you take a shot, you’re triggering this. And then the worst part is that any immune response made to the protein Will become more robust. So let’s just think of the best case scenario. You get transfected in your muscle and all of your muscle gets transfected and your immune system destroys a lot of your deltoid it’s painful. It takes. Weeks to heal. And this would be the best case scenario if it all stayed there, you get a lesion in your deltoid created by the immune system, destroying parts of your muscle. So now you take your second injection and the antibodies that are circulating in your body land on the spike protein, where it is transfected. So now. The spike protein goes into your coronary artery and it transfects some of the cells into endothelium. So now the antibodies that were produced by the injection that only affected your muscle in the fantasy scenario, all those antibodies are all in your body circulating around. And when the spike protein gets expressed in your heart. Now the antibodies deposit there and your immune system can show up 15 times faster than it did the first time. And the next time you get a shot, the immune system will show up even quicker. And this is the problem because if you are transfecting your endothelial cells, you are necessarily interacting with the clotting system. And at this stage, all bets are off because once you’ve activated the seroprevalence in your blood, That at any point in time, those antibodies can trigger inflammation. They can trigger neutrophil attack. They can trigger cytotoxic T cell responses, and they can trigger the compliment system. And all of those things are potentially. Avalanche type disasters, sure, biology starts. You can’t stop it.

James: 44:47

So what you’re saying is it’s just it’s over it’s over working the immune system. It’s a pretty much an auto immune response. Does that explain also why oncogenes get triggered for turbo cancers? Is that. Is there

Dr. J.J. Couey: 45:02

a lot of there’s a lot of speculation about that because the spike protein itself supposedly has some molecular components that might interact with some of these tumor suppressor genes, but I’m not sophisticated enough a biologist to know that. To know what fidelity the spike protein would need to be expressed in order to for that effect to occur most of their most of the experiments that have covered this have been very in vitro limited experiments, but they show the interaction between the spike protein and some of these tumor suppressors. My guess is that it’s a little less. It’s a little less fantastic than them having some specific inserts in the spike protein. It’s probably a more general reason why the immune system becomes dysregulated. One of those reasons might be something to do with the spike protein though. And if the spike protein, for example, some of the more terrible rumors include that the spike protein has a short it has a very short MHC2, which is the major histocompatibility complex, is the protein that every cell in your body uses as an ID. This is just another brief piece of biology for everybody to understand how the immune system works. There are cells of the immune system patrolling your body all the time for cancerous cells and for foreign material and foreign things. And the way that they do it is they roll along. They’re called natural killer cells. They roll along and they look at what the cells are doing by looking at what protein fragments they’re displaying on MHC, MHC being major histocompatibility complex, and it’s one and two, there are two different ones. The one MHC one is used by all the cells in your body to use as an ID. So if the immune system approaches. Your ovaries and your ovaries are busy with homeostasis on the outside, they’ll have a few M. H. C. molecules that are displaying self proteins that are specific for ovary cells. And if they’re cancerous, they will end up displaying fragments of proteins that are not generally displayed by ovary cells and therefore the immune system can come in and say, hey, why are you showing me this protein? You should be showing me. An ovary protein, and we can get rid of that cell. And that’s basically how cancer is patrolled in the body is that natural tissue, normal tissues display the correct proteins and cancerous invasive or infected tissues display incorrect proteins. So this trick is especially well known by people who design vaccines because. It is the, what is displayed on MHC2 in the immune system that is called the epitope that is identified in the virus. So whatever the immune system chooses to display on MHC2 to teach T cells is the epitope that the immune system has chosen to make memory to. Now, there’s a rumor that the spike protein has a MHC or in humans, it’s called HA. I’m probably going to confuse everybody now. It seems to have a small sequence that could be a sort of general match for MHC2. And the implication of that is that a protein that had that sequence on it might be able to more easily activate the immune system. Because of that sequence. So in my worst case scenario imagination, I can see a scenario where if they wanted to make a successful mRNA vaccine, they would tell you that this protein that they found on this virus. is this protein that has this extra little thing on it that acts as a natural adjuvant. And so we got lucky. Look, we put this protein in, 45 minutes later, we made the RNA, we injected it in the people, and they made a robust immune response. That doesn’t always happen. And so It becomes more and more difficult to divorce the long history of work that has been done on trying to activate the immune system with small proteins. Yeah, and the idea that they would put 1 of these activating. Small protein sequences into a coronavirus spike. And then say that, look, we found a novel Corona virus and here’s the spike. And we’re going to use the spike for a vaccine. And lo and behold, we get a robust immune response. It works like a charm. That would have been one of the very easy and quite frankly, well known ways that they could have created an immunogenic protein that would work really well as the flagship demonstration that the transfection is great for immunization because see, we produce antibodies, right? I don’t have enough evidence to make that claim as being true. But I do have enough evidence to make the claim. I think that. That RNA viruses cannot pandemic, but they can make enough RNA virus to cause a pandemic. Yeah,

James: 50:51

I have a good idea how just have your natural immune system take care of all this.

Dr. J.J. Couey: 50:56

Exactly. What I’ve been saying

James: 51:02

from the very beginning, right? We don’t have to worry about that. When you get a guy like Bill Gates saying we want to depopulate the world and everybody’s got to be vaccinated. We’ll start with you, Bill. You get, you go 1st, you’d be the 1st taker on all this, because. I think eating properly, rolling the dice with eating properly exercising and laying off processed food is a good start. I think what about I

Dr. J.J. Couey: 51:25

agree. I think that’s part of the again. It’s across all aspects of our culture at this stage, but we have. We have, we don’t take responsibility for understanding anymore. As adults, we all have checked out and said that the experts know better than us. And more than anything in the United States the way that we eat, the way that we think about our health is just so inverted And we all want a pill to fix what ails us when in reality, we just need to put better food in and we’ll get better results out. We need to exercise more. Some people and you might be one of these people and I’m not an ex, I’m not a master of this. I’m just not, I’m not as bad as other people. There are people who have not exercised since high school. They have not even walked a long ways since high school. And then when they can’t breathe very well, or they have stomach problems, the first thing they want is a medicine or a simple solution. When in reality, if you don’t move regularly, you will be unhealthy. If you don’t eat. And drink good things. You are going to be unhealthy. If you inhale auto fumes all day, you’re going to be unhealthy. If you smoke a pack of cigarettes a day, that is going to contribute to a whole host of ways that you are not optimal. And there’s no juice or supplement or magic, powder packet that you can mix in your water bottle. And that’s going to compensate. For the 40 years of lack of exercise and nutrients.

James: 53:12

Yeah. Listen, I go to the gym five days a week consistently for the last 40 years. Yeah, I don’t, I’m a, I’m, I don’t want to say I’m a vegetarian, but I’m close to not so much vegetarian. I’m a pescatarian, but I stick primarily to fresh vegetables, fresh fruits, soups. Things like that. My wife’s from Italy. We were just having the conversation. She just moved here 4 years ago. And we’re, you probably aren’t familiar with this, what I’m about to tell you, but we’re discussing the, we’re talking about the potato chip aisle in the grocery stores and some of the shopping carts that we see, especially during COVID and the, the potato chip aisle is like this long aisle. That’s it just goes on forever. And she was telling me in Italy, it’s probably like maybe the size of my desk. And there’s just a little section where they sell potato chips in Italy and all the grocery stores. So that just tells you where we’re at here in the United States.

Dr. J.J. Couey: 54:07

Absolutely. It does. It’s a good friend of mine, Greg Glassman once said that if you have to, if you have to open a box or a bag to eat, then you’re probably not really eating. That’s right. And that’s really where we are in America. Most people are eating out of a box in a bag every day.

James: 54:27

Yeah. I’m 60 years old, by the way. Are you really? Yeah, I’m 60.

Dr. J.J. Couey: 54:34

Yeah. Okay, so you and I both have some secret going on, because everybody’s always surprised I’m 51. Yeah,

James: 54:39

you look great. I thought you were in your 40s, early 40s. But it’s been amazing to have you on on the Medical Truth Podcast. I’d like to continue to up, have you update and come on periodically as well with the release of the book with Robert F. Kennedy as well. Oh, I would love it. That would

Dr. J.J. Couey: 54:57

be great. I would love it. That’d be really fun. That would be,

James: 55:00

yeah. Yeah. And I’ll see get you on CK too as well. I, I know Paul Dr. Paul Alexander. In fact, I actually pulled up this particular article in this, what

Dr. J.J. Couey: 55:12

actually plugs this week. It was

James: 55:14

yeah, this is what got my attention. Embarrassed actually. This is what got my attention right here j. Cooey lives inside Robert Malone’s head. I love it. Cooey owns Malone and Malone is not ever, will never debate him on a talk or talk with him. This is a reason for that. I openly challenge Malone here. Put your testicles on the table.

Dr. J.J. Couey: 55:38

Yeah, it’s, it goes over the top a lot, but actually the article is really good. And, it covers my work and the work of my friend, Mark Housatonic. Mark Kulak in in Boston, Massachusetts. And he’s been a great friend and a, and he’s a really skilled historian who started earlier than I did with regard to, to really keeping track of this. And he’s got a really good archive and together him and I have been just trying to run down the stories of these new heroes and try to figure out which one of them is, really a good guy and which one might not be. And I’m as, as open minded as I am, I have to say that I’ve had so many. incongruent interactions with Robert Malone that I have to assume that His he’s got ulterior motives.

James: 56:26

I have to agree with you on that. I, and I, the first time I saw him was on Tucker Carlson and this was like maybe back in what 21, 21, 22, early 22. I

Dr. J.J. Couey: 56:39

think something like that. I think 21 was probably when he was first on Tucker, but

James: 56:42

yeah, my theory on that too, is that there’s a lot of people that are on the hook and I even include. President Trump on this as well. He was at fault as well. The only person, the true person that really stood up to a lot of this was Robert F. Kennedy is president. Trump kept pushing the vaccine, kept pushing the vaccine. And to this day still does it. In fact, I just posted something on sub stack as to why my question was in the article that I wrote was why this Donald president Trump still push the vaccine. And I just don’t think any. One particular politician or anybody is going to save us in this situation. And I say it

Dr. J.J. Couey: 57:23

time and time again, that’s really the most important thing to say. No one will, no one politician is going to save us. And we don’t want to live in a country where we need a politician like that to save us.

James: 57:33

No. And I keep saying this to people, listen, we have the God given right not to take this vaccine and to do it. It’s our decision. It’s our body. It’s our choice. And we have to stand up to that. We have to stand up to that. We’re the ones where the power is in the people. There’s more of us than there are of them. Okay, whoever them are. And we all know we’re starting to know who them are. And as time goes on, the dark is going to be overshadowed by the light for sure. It’s just a matter of time and it’s happening and there’s people like you that are very courageous that are coming forward. And I really appreciate your work. And I’m going to continue to put your work out there for sure. You got a fan. Now.

Dr. J.J. Couey: 58:14

Thanks very much. James. I’m really happy. I don’t know. It’s been a long, lonely play. I’m sure you felt alone too. It really even when you have these podcasts, it feels like you’re in a wilderness all by yourself. So Yeah, I’m really happy to make another connection like this.

James: 58:28

Absolutely. You got, you have, definitely. Like I said, I’ll have you come on again. Your website is Go ahead. Do you want to share that with them? GigaOMBiological.

Dr. J.J. Couey: 58:37

com it’s hard to spell, but you’ll learn it. And I’m also GigaOMBiological on Twitch. Which is a, it’s a weird streaming platform for gamers and for weirdos, but it also keeps me nicely hidden. I also try to post, I’m trying to get into the habit of reposting on Rumble, but that hasn’t really started yet. And I actually, in addition to being on your podcast, was just recently on a podcast with Ahmed Malik. I think you might also have been aware of him. He’s very much like you. And so maybe my message is finally catching on. I’m going to be around in more places, but right now Giga Home Biological is where I stream on Twitch and I’m doing it every night. For about, I don’t know, for 35 nights in a row so far, I’m going to try and keep it up for a few hundred. So it’s worth checking because I’m be there almost every day and this includes today. Yeah, I think it’s just steady pressure. So people like you have to keep going. Oh, yeah, we have to keep sharing each other’s work and, as we keep pushing with steady pressure, I think this thing will keep cracking.

James: 59:42

I will. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Thank you so much for coming on to the podcast. I really appreciate it. Dr. Cooley. You’re very welcome. It was nice. Thanks. You too, sir. Thanks.

outro: 59:53

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